Sanctioning Bodies: Damned if they do, damned if they don't

BigReg · May 13, 2008

Zakman said:

You're not SERIOUSLY suggesting that a return to a one-belt structure would lead to black challengers getting frozen out, are you?? Or suggesting, by analogy, that it is preferable to have multiple titles per division because it gives more fighters the opportunity to fight for A (not THE) title?? If you take that logic to the extreme, why limit it to 4 - why not have HUNDREDS of world titles. Then EVERY boxer can be a "champion."

Heck, we're almost there already. Even Charlie Zelenoff was fighting for a title the other night!atsch
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The example of blacks being shutout was simply there to illustrate how fighters could get shut out of the title picture for reasons other than their skill level. One belt per divsion is impossible right now, but wouldn't be bad as long as their was a consistent rankings system and a stict mandatory and defense policy.

BigReg · May 13, 2008

J.R. said:

Here's what I'm trying to say my man, a fighter doesn't necessarily need to "earn" his way up the rankings. Take a look at the top 10 guys in the major belt organizations... do you really agree that some of these guys actuallly deserve the rankings they're given?
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Most boxing fans are not knowledgable enough to accurately critique these rankings sytems. There are simply too many fighters out there that fans have never seen fight. A year or two ago, many boxing fans would've looked at the 115 lb. rankings and questioned the inclusion of Mijares. However, does that mean he didn't deserve his ranking? Glen Johnson had like 9 losses and was ranked high enough by the IBF to fight for a vacant title. Many fans would probably question his ranking based purely on his record without seeing enough of him on film. There are probably a ton of top ten ranked fighters that are very talented but unknown.

C Money · May 13, 2008

BigReg said:

Not many people are willing to stand up for the sanctioning bodies, but I believe they don't get a fair shake. Sure, they are not perfect and have ****ed up the sport in the past. However, I believe they have taken note of the criticism and are actually trying to help the sport.

Many of their rules are setup to protect against many of the things that fans complain about. For example, many fans complain about fighters getting stripped and how the sanctioning bodies make it difficult to unify.

To combat this, the WBC has purposely vague defense policies which make it harder for a fighter to get stripped and easier for them to unify. The WBA created the regular and super champ in order to make unification easier and allow fighters more leadway without being stripped. Despite both orgs creating rules that address concerns of the fans, they still get criticised. Many people now criticise the WBC for not stripping fighters faster(how ironic). They also get on the WBA for creating another title; calling it a money grab(they ignore how the rule allows fighters to unify easier).

Back to the criticism of the WBC. Many fans feel that their policy allows for favortism, and that they want everyone treated fairly. Fans also complain about pointless rematches. Well, the IBF's policy really does not allow for favortism. They are pretty strict with their rules, and don't pander to big name fighters who engage in pointless rematches. For example, Winky Wright beat Shane Mosley handidly to unfiy all 3 major belts. Instead of fighting his IBF mando, Wright decided to take a pointless remacth in order to line his pockets. The IBF responded by stripping him. Many fans will complain about this; completey ignoring the fact that the IBF is addressing the issue of pointless rematches.

I could go on with more examples, but I think I've made my point. What do you guys think?
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Reg? They bend so many rules and have had proven corruption cases:good Its impossible to defend them.

The idea's behind RULES AND STRUCTURE is fantastic. But it suffers to the hands of the beholders.

nezy37 · May 13, 2008

If the sanctioning bodies wanted to do something for the sport they could combine into one. Yeah it will never happen but I can dream right.

dabox · May 13, 2008

i agree that 3-4 champions is too much but the whole idea of stripping a champion is not such a bad idea because hey before champions use go around not defending the belt for years and still be called champ...

the whole thing about "you got to beat the man to be the man"
is kinda odd because what if you can't get the man to into the ring.

also i think the whole ring belt is over rated...i mean yes they have been around forever but they are still just a magazine nothing more.
an american magazine for that matter...

which ofcourses comes with it's own biases.

Beeston Brawler · May 14, 2008

The WBA hasn't introduced Super Champion and Regular Champion to enable champs to unify.

It is all about the $$$$$

onepunch.net · May 14, 2008

GazOC said:

But then the IBF have a 'paper' champion and just add to the confusion. I think The Ring have he right idea where champions are concerned.
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The Ring "has the right idea"? And what idea is that? The idea that the champion can defend the title against whomever he chooses, whenever he chooses (or not at all), with no requirement ever that he must defend against a top rated challenger?

By Ring rules, someone could win the title, and defend 3 times a year against the FedEx guy, and that would be just fine. Meanwhile, worthy challengers trying to climb the rankings and earn a title shot have no ability whatsoever to ultimately become mandatory challengers, because Ring has no mandatory challengers.

Bodysnatcher · May 14, 2008

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Johnnyblaze · May 14, 2008

Kelly Pavlik had to pay a $25,000 sanctioning fee to the WBC for participating in the rematch with Taylor, even though his title wasn't even on the line, or even at the same weight! They're all crooks. enough said.

PH|LLA · May 14, 2008

i like their rules but i just wish there would be only 1 of them

PH|LLA · May 14, 2008

Johnnyblaze said:

Kelly Pavlik had to pay a $25,000 sanctioning fee to the WBC for participating in the rematch with Taylor, even though his title wasn't even on the line, or even at the same weight! They're all crooks. enough said.
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Kelly Pavlik probably made a few million in that rematch, and while he's out rematching Taylor and not allowing anyone to fight for the WBC title, other WBC ranked fighters are waiting for their shot. Thats why he still had to pay the fee.

Beeston Brawler · May 14, 2008

They probably charged the $25k as effectively a 'bung' - an incentive not to hold an interim fight or worse still, vacate the belt!

Moralman · May 14, 2008

Dear BigReg
kind regards
Alphabet organizations are apart of the problem with boxing.
If there was only one champion per division, the divisions would be much better and would move alot quicker.
If there was one champion, then that belt holder would have to defend his title, think back to Bowe putting one of his three titles in the bin rather than face Lennox Lewis.
The future of boxing needs a fateful iron broom to sweep away the crooked promoters, crooked alphabet organizations and crooked altheletic sport commissions.
The alphabet organizations are in league with the promoters to keep a centralized stranglehold on who gets the title shots.
Boxing is presided over by crooks in suits.
yours thankfully
John

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