Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán vs. Daniel Jacobs & John Ryder vs. Bilal Akkawy RBR

**** off with that "True objective fans" BS, If "Canelo did vey little" then Jacobs did even less.

I already pointed out how Canelo beat Jacobs in every department, both in my opinion and compubox numbers. Make your case.

 

Several rounds were hard to score but after 12 rounds there was no doubt who was the rightful winner. Canelo was in complete control early and won each of the first 6 rounds. 1 and 3 were close and arguable for Jacobs, but Canelo was in complete control and landed the better shots in those rounds. 2, 4, 5 and 6 were easier to score, clear Canelo rounds.

Unless you were very generous to Jacobs, he was down 6 rounds to 0 at the mid-way point. If you give Jacobs rounds 1 or 3, maybe you have it 5-1 or 4-2 after 6, but he didn't win any of those first 6 clearly.

The first round that Jacobs clearly won was round 7. Jacobs finally got going in Round 7 and got some sustained offense. Canelo fought back in round 8, but then Jacobs had some big moments in round 9 and won that round. So Canelo was winning anywhere from 7 - 2 to 5 - 4 after 9. 6 rounds to 3 Canelo after 9 seems about right.

But you're spot on that this result is separating the men from the boys. Everybody knows Canelo clearly won this bout, even the biggest Canelo haters can't bring themselves to cry robbery here or foolishly try and argue Jacobs won. It's hard to win a fight where you are being out pointed in each of the first 6 rounds.

Canelo is a special special talent and how he systematically dissected Jacobs in the first 6 rounds was master class. He was fighting a guy who had a functional weight advantage over him, Canelo was essentially fighting a Cruiserweight in there and he put on an absolute clinic. Credit to Jacobs through for turning it into a fight in the 2nd half and making it closer down the stretch. Problem with Jacobs is he takes stretches of the round off while Canelo is working hard throwing combos and landing. The body work Canelo got in early paid dividends later on. Jacobs was breathing heavily after his rallies in the 7th and 9th rounds. He really was carrying a lot of weight around in that ring and needed to conserve his energy, which limited his output and was why he only won a couple of rounds.

I don't see how you can score this a draw unless you give like every single close round to Jacobs. Realistically Canelo won this comfortably, he had a big lead halfway through, and only lost 2 rounds clearly.

 

8 years experience and he was "green"?

And weight drained? Why was he competing with a much smaller fighter then?

 

I've agreed with a lot of your stuff and respect you as a poster, but you're flat out wrong here. Canelo won this clearly. Not saying you can't come up with a draw by giving Jacobs all the close rounds, but that's being very generous to Jacobs. Canelo dominated the first half of the bout, Jacobs came back starting in round 7, and made it closer but it was clear who the winner was and the better fighter was : Canelo. Canelo outworked Jacobs, landed the better punches in most of the rounds. There's no controversey here. You talk about the times Canelo missed, did you see how many times Canelo made Jacobs miss ?

 

He simply did not.
GGG scored a KD, and outlanded Jacobs

No, and NO. GGG scored a KD.
And some Canelo fanboy are so biased. In Golovkin fights, where Canelo was static for 2 minute and fight 1 minute per round, they were saying Canelo took that round, GGG scored only a jabs, Canelo landed 1 power shot, not even clean, but it`s enough. Yet now vs Jacobs, Canelo fans: oh Jacobs is too passive, you can win a round with 1 power shot, Canelo also scored 4 answered jabs, that is his round.
This is so pathetic. Turned their view, just to justified their fanboy.

I will give my scorecards later, when i rewatched the fight, without commentators and some shot or even rounds on slow motion so i can score the fight correctly, not by my bias, as some did in this thread.

 

Just stop
Masterpiece
Lol

 

Jacobs had some good moments, and some very good rounds but they were very few and far between. This was a very clear fight to score. Even if you want to argue that Canelo didn't do enough he still did better than Jacobs in every department.

It's par for the course though, the hatred was expected and predictable.
Bottom line, Canelo is the undisputed king at 160, the "face of boxing", one of (if not THE) the best PFP fighters and the hate is palpable.

 

It's astonishing to me that anyone could score this in favor of Jacobs. That has to be trolling, or going into the bout with a pre-determined winner. There's no way you can objectively view that bout round after round and come to the conclusion that Jacobs won. Jacobs only won 2 rounds clearly, at most won a couple others if you are really being generous to him.

Several rounds were a lot like round 4 in Canelo GGG 1, where GGG does a little bit better and gets the round because he did marginally better, not becuase he actually bested Canelo. Anyone who gave Jacobs more than 3 or 4 rounds is just giving him rounds for being more competitive not actually winning it.

 

Or clearly one that separates the ass kissers to the regular fans

 

Compubox is irrelevant. And your case isn't very convincing! Both guys did very little is my point. What exactly did Canelo do? Land some cuffing weak punches on Jacob's gloves, elbows and arms all night? Punches that did pretty much nothing to a suspect chinned Jacobs?

Of course, Jacobs didn't do all that much better (which is basically my point). But this idea that Canelo 'won in every department' is an utter nut-hugging of Canelo Alvarez and not an objective viewpoint.

Maybe you're overly impressed by flamboyancy, but I'm not. Boxing is about damaging / effective punches landed and Canelo simply did not prove superior than Jacobs in that department. Majority of the rounds were dead even 10/10 rounds. It was the very definition of a draw.

A true fan would call it exactly that, and call for a rematch to be made so that a more conclusive outcome can be found, rather than claiming "Canelo CLEARLY won" in a fight that he missed, nearly a career high number of punches whilst looking utterly ineffective and useless for the most part.

 

Look, I'm a Canelo fan but we need to be objective here. I have slightly higher standards for what qualifies as a 'clear' win. Canelo did anything, but win 'clearly'. Both guys were missing all over the place. Both guys were neck and neck, stalemating each other for practically the whole fight.

As a fan of Canelo, I'd want Canelo to win, but win more convincingly and conclusively. To win the inconclusive way he did, is simply not satisfactory for me as a Canelo fan. I expect much more than that, for Canelo to qualify as a 'clear' winner.

Far too many rounds were dead even 10/10 rounds. Neither guy got the better of the other in this fight.

 

If you scored the fight for Jacobs and consider yourself a "regular fan" then I got some news for you.

 

Well, yes. He is like 43, retired and a natural lightweight.