Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán vs. John Ryder & Gabriel Gollaz Valenzuela vs. Steve Spark RBR.

Like I said Ryder won 3 of the last 4 and the first.. giving him 4 rounds despite a horrific injury suffered in the second. No, that was an impressive performance for Ryder. I expected him to last 7-8 rounds but he showed he was much tougher than that.

 

Like I said, I didnt say the oposite.

I see nothing impressive in taking a beating, being put on the canvas, getting your bones broken and receiving permanent brain damage. All that while going gunshy and trying to showoff when the fight is completely lost and it is safer because canelo has nothing in the tank. Sorry. Losing and being beaten to a pulp without losing conscience has no merit, since chin cannot be trained.

 

id love for him to fight beterbiev but were not getting that.

 

Hearts cannot be trained. You ever have a big one like John Ryder or dont have one like guillermo rigodeaux.

 

Ryder has a top notch off the charts chin.

Amazingly not a single guy here has said it in this thread, when I find it the most impressive fact in this fight.

His chin is so good that it is actually bad for his health.

His survival instincts are stronger that his will for victory, though. I dont blame him for that, I find it perfectly fine and sane. But I dont give credit for losing like that. In round 12 he betrayed himself, he showed everybody that he could have done WAY more, but he didnt. And I will add even more, he didnt do it because he knew that if he did it he was going to get out on his shield, and he was not willing to get out on his shield. He just suddenly discovered his backfoot after 30 fights, and lowered his output to a minimum (making the fight boring AF).

Regarding rigo, I dont give a flying ****.

 

Canelo was in deep waters in this fight?
We didnt watch the same fight.

The only thing that derailed his plan was his nose broken?
Yes, I get that canelo punching his skull until he broke his nose could derail his plans.
Canelo punching his skull until he got his butt on the canvas could have derailed his plans too.
Probably his plans should have included that canelo was going to try to punch him in his face.

What's next? The only thing that derailed Mike Tyson's plan was that Douglas knocked him out.

Only a drunk could give 5 rounds to Ryder. 3 rounds, and thank you, because it could be 2 without any problem.

And I'm not the only one saying it. I'm the only one insisting. Which is a mistake, btw. And this mistake will end right now.

 

I thought the announcers were being way harsh on The Nail

“I was ready to write Gvozdyk off before that last round of the stoppage!!”

Lol! REALLY?! “Write him off” because he wanted to knock off some rust and get some rounds in?? Unreal.

When he started to get pressed and tagged a little bit… Gvozdyk put that dude in check real quick. Started sitting on his shots… and got him outta there.

He’s still a force in that division. I’m hoping we see another Beterbiev scrap by the end of this year! Or early next year.

 

It was a great fight last night. The stadium was electric!! Canelo's entrance was one of the best ever. The fight itself exceeded expectations.

Some people are saying Canelo is past his prime because 1) he didn't get the stoppage and 2) his defense was a little iffy, that he got hit too much. Those are valid criticisms but I think first of all, Canelo wanted to give the fans a phone booth Mexican Style war. This wasn't the fight for Canelo to showcase his defensive elusiveness.

One thing's for sure - Canelo's punching power is still prime. They say power is the last thing to go and Canelo's arguably more powerful today than ever when it comes to that devasting right hand. But not only his punching power, also his punching technique. We saw what he did to Ryder's nose, what a bloody mess!!! But Ryder is a warrior and showed the heart of a Champion to fight on and survive that brutal onslaught in the early rounds. And to Ryder's credit, he was competitive throughout, but clearly a level below Canelo. One thing I did like from Ryder was that hook, uppercut 2 punch combo he landed on Canelo. Ryder occasionally landed some clean shots on Canelo, but Canelo was barely phased by any of them.

After the first knockdown, Canelo sort of carried Ryder and let him survive to an extent. Of course Canelo was being cautious, but there was several times where he loaded up with big shots and just missed, and had any one of those follow-up right hands landed it would have put Ryder out cold. Ryder was very close to being stopped several times, and if it wasn't in Mexico, if it was a British referee it may have been waived off. But I was glad that it wasn't stopped, not to see Ryder punished, but when Ryder was hurt I didn't want to see it end, since it was so entertaining, so I was happy Ryder recovered and it continued.

Canelo should have gotten a second knock down that was ruled a slip. Yes Ryder did trip over Canelo's leg, but that was right after a punch landed. It's only a slip if you trip if a punch doesn't land. So Ryder got lucky there.

I would say Ryder was far more competitive on a round by round basis than GGG was in his last fight. Certainly over the first 8 or 9 rounds. But despite Ryder being competitive in most rounds, he still arguably lost almost all the rounds. You could make an argument that he won several rounds, particularly 10-12. I thought round 10 was a hard round to score. Ryder did well, it was very close throughout but then Canelo landed that big right hand towards the end. That one could have gone either way. But 1-9 were pretty clear Canelo rounds, some arguable for Ryder.

Chris Mannix should be ashamed of himself for trying to detract from Canelo's performance with incredibly biased commentating and a questionable scorecard. Arguing Ryder won round 1 and several other rounds, look I'm not saying you couldn't have Ryder winning maybe a round or 2 out of the first 9, but Mannix was just delusionally simping for Ryder and going out of his way to claim that Canelo was past his prime. Frankly Mannix is an embarrassment to boxing and should never be allowed to call a fight again after such over the top disrespect towards Canelo.

Lets keep it real people - was a master class performance by Saul Canelo. Ryder is one of the best SMW's out there and Canelo beat him to a bloody pulp and pretty much was toying with him at time. Yes Ryder showed heart and should be commended for absorbing that kind of punishment and going the distance, but Canelo could have got him out of there, he just wanted to give the fans a longer show. Don't even try to deny that Canelo was carrying him in the middle rounds and allowing him to survive. Still, Ryder earned tons of respect for how he fought.

All in all, it was an amazing fight. Canelo looked better than ever imho, maybe not as good defensively as he was in GGG 1 or Jacobs, we didn't see the head movement, but he didn't need all the head movement and slipping shots against Ryder. Canelo dominated Ryder for the most part, despite Ryder being competitive throughout. (yes these 2 things can be true at the same time) People talk about what Bivol did to Canelo how he didn't have to come out of 1st gear and all that. Well lets face it, Canelo won almost every round against a game Ryder without even having to really come out of first gear. That's how good Canelo is. Normal people don't do that to John Ryder. Canelo is still at the top of his game, yes he needs to incorporate more head movement if he wants to beat Bivol, but at the same time, lets not forget that head movement and slipping punches depletes stamina, which was also a problem vs Bivol. So it's a slippery slope when it comes to how much head movement you give an opponent and if there is a need to slip punches. Also Ryder didn't use the jab very much at all, and Canelo historically uses more head movement to slip punches primarily against jabbers. Ryder was tailor made for Canelo because Canelo didn't have to worry about the jab which has always give him trouble. This was essentailly a phone booth style fight in an 18 x 18 ring which was fun to see and perfect for the Mexican audience. This was Mexican Style 101, textbook bloody war against a game John Ryder. Ryder was soundly beat, but has to be proud of himself for going the distance. He can always say he went the distance in a toe to toe war with Saul Canelo Alvarez in Guadalajara.

 

I think I underrated Ryder. He's better than I remember him being, I thought he was a lot more basic than he showed against Canelo.

 

Agreed those announcers were pretty dismissive. I don’t know if The Nail broke a sweat.

 

So, it turns out that the judge that scored it 120-07, Jeremey Hayes, is a novelist.

That figures, as that scorecard is clearly his greatest ever work of fiction.

 

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