Santos Saúl Álvarez Barragán vs. Vladimir Igorevich Shishkin

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Dec 31, 2022.


Cinnamon Boy or The Lokomotiv?

Poll closed May 6, 2023.
  1. Álvarez on points

    35.7%
  2. Álvarez by stoppage

    35.7%
  3. Draw

    7.1%
  4. Shishkin on points

    7.1%
  5. Shishkin by stoppage

    14.3%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Most pundits expect the next opponent for the sport's current international standard bearer (whether all of us like it or not) on Cinco De Mayo weekend to be John "The Gorilla" Ryder, with the southpaw slugger Brit currently his WBO mandatory and in possession of that org's interim belt. Should that match-up fall through for whatever reason, though, the backup plan could be the long slept-on Russian. An all around solid surgical striker, the undefeated contender triumphed a fortnight past in an IBF eliminator, entering #9 before outpointing 7th-ranked former titlist José Uzcátegui. We will have to see where he lands when January's updated rankings are published - presumably top 5.

    His promoter, Dmitry Salita, has attempted to bait the Mexican megastar in the media by dangling the carrot of Shishkin's stylistic similarities to foil Dmitry Bivol, potentially providing preparatory practice for Canelo en route to revenge. Of course, they likely hope that Canelo's hubris will lead him to assume that Bivol's countryman is of a low enough level to still be a cake walk. I'm not so sure. Shishkin is younger, fresher, taller and longer (and a little more heavy handed - all of the above by only modest margins, to be fair) than Bivol, but boxes in a less silky, somewhat more predictable manner...and averages a few more punches per round thrown.

    It'd be interesting. :deal:
     
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  2. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Vlad shocks the world and uses his size, skills and underrated power to get get Saul’s respect right away and get a UD. He’s a better fighter than many realize.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Salita may very well be onto something. Bivol and Shishkin's styles are not all that dissimilar, but I think Dmitry's stinging power is a little more dissuasive than people seem to realize. Whereas Vlad's, I'm not so sure. It all depends. If he can get Canelo's attention and hurt him early, he can certainly outwork him, will he get the nod, I doubt his performance will be as dominant as Bivol's, which was pretty much a shutout, and even then Bivol barely won on the cards. So I doubt it.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, based on this and your response in the Ryder thread, it seems like we both rate Shishkin's chances of running it close enough to get a miracle nod a little higher, but we're both cynical enough to be resigned to Canelo winning by hook or by crook - mo small amount of emphasis on the latter - unless his opponent is either insanely slick, or a murderous Kudryashov level hitter (but preferably not a glass cannon, bad example :sisi1)

    Either way, come May, a fighter we both like quite a bit is going to be sacrificed at the ginger's altar. :ohno
     
  5. splatter69

    splatter69 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely blows my mind that if he had say taken a round off for whatever reason it woulda been a draw.

    Disgusting
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    A slight glimmer of hope is maybe since Canelo's taken a little more wear and tear lately against both Bivol and GGG, maybe his whiskers are getting shaky, he is 17 years into his career after all. So maybe since he always struggles against them and he hasn't faced a southpaw since Saunders, he'll have a lapse in concentration, and walk right into a picture perfect murderous right hook from The Gorilla. I'm pretty much grasping at straws here, but crazier things have happened... whatever, one can hope.:D
     
  7. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    Shishkin easily. He's way too big & skilled for an one dimensional bum like Clenelo.
     
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  8. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    Aren't we boycotting Russians?
     
  9. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Shishkin is Laotian.
     
  10. mirexxa

    mirexxa Heavyweight Champ Full Member

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    Ok canelo by KO
     
  11. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just don't think Shishkin is enough. Fighting at 168/175 is putting more wear on Canelo but he's not there yet.

    I'm interested to see what the Ryder fight looks like. Canelo has shown signs of hand/wrist problems and discussed a surgery that was supposed to take a year of recovery. Seems like he decided to try and heal it by taking the normal amount of time off between fights.

    I think that was a big mistake. He should have gotten it immediately after GGG 3. I love see a fighter with real ambition but I think we're likely to see a disappointing performance because he's trying to cut corners.
     
  12. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Since obviously Canelos ancestors were Conquistadors, he is well aware of how sacrificing on altars works.