Sauerland extends contract with ARD

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  1. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Major part of the deal is 'strickt and intensive drugtesting' for all Sauerland boxers, wich I think is a good example for the rest of the world. :happy
    German television have had their fare share of doping problems in the past where a lot of the big champions and championships were shook up by doping scandals.

    The contract is valid through 2015, so big events involving Abraham, Huck ed are free to watch in most of Europe.
     
  2. RJD

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    It's good to see that boxing is finally starting to clean up it's act.
     
  3. lanzelotz

    lanzelotz Member Full Member

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    Do you know more about his?
    Is it really "strickt and intensive drugtesting" or just lip service?

    But its good news. Free fights without commercials between rounds.
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They did that even before that. Every Sauerland fighter has to undergo Olympic drugtesting during training camp and before the fight for quie a while.
     
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    Didn´t know that, thanks.
    Olympic drug testing without bitching ftw :thumbsup
     
  6. Zacker

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    Gotto add something that has to be said somewhere. "Olympic" drug testing as it's called here is much more than random testing of blood and urine. In addition:

    - You have to give away your whereabouts three months ahead,
    - you must be available for testing one hour each day,

    failure to comply with the above twice (or 3 times?) will result in a ban

    - the testing has to be done by an outside organisation (so Sauerland testing their own fighters was a no go) acredited by WADA (usually a national doping agency),
    - and you must put yourself under the jurisdiction of the CAS, meaning no chance to go to a civil court.
     
  7. Zacker

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    A little more on the Germans. Sauerland is actually with the Austrian boxing comission (ÖFV) whereas Universum is with the German proffesional boxing comission (BDB). Universum and the BDB have also been negotiating with the German NADA to tighten up on doping regulations. Unlike Sauerland, though, Universum and BDB is working against several of the rules above and wants to do the testing themselevs which in the end caused NADA to drop from negotiations. People at Universum's TV partner ZDF has critizised them for this and it may or may not have had something to do with the ZDF contract expiring.

    From this perspective it is nice to see that Sauerland is a healthy promotor whereas Universum is in a lot of trouble. I hope that this is a trend that we will see more of in the future.
     
  8. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    It is NOT for all Sauerland boxers only, it is for ALL boxers involved in the fights promoted by Sauerland - hence, their opponents too.

    Just a clarification.
     
  9. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    I hope other countries, and if possible the alphabet councils, will follow up on this. Boxing is still using the ostrich 'if we don't see it, it isn't there' strategy.
    And from what I read in the posts here, a lot of fans still believe you can detect EPO, HGH, CERA etc. trough urine tests.

    But there's also a chance it bounces right back in their faces... If a few boxers are caught, there always will be boxfans from other countries where drug tests are nonexistent who say; 'You see, all that Euro fighters are on dope'.

    edit: thanks for clarifying Doc!
     
  10. K-Man

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    Yes, you can. ;)

    Those tests are approved, proven, and commercially available. However, there are of course always attempts at getting around them, creating new chemical counteragents that inhibit the detection substances. That would btw work in blood too, so there goes the red herring.

    Thing is, if you REALLY would like to get bulletproof testing that also tests the first world superstars positive, you would have to find tests that prove the use of masking agents. This would be possible, since you can both test on the agents themselves (just ask Angel Hereida how he did it), and on the absence of components you SHOULD find in the urine of a healthy person if no agents were used. You would need to add a step to the testing, mixing a part of the sample with a known positive probe, let it rest for some time, and then test it. If the test suddenly fails, you know the person had a counteragent in his urine that rendered the testing substance dysfunctional. Why they don't do it ? Because the first world stars would lose their superiority.
     
  11. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    For CERA (3rd gen EPO) to be detected without masking agents you need 4
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    samples to have a totally reliable outcome.
    So urine test alone, and even blood tests alone aren't even enough.
    A blood passport is even more reliable, only that will never happen in boxing I believe.
     
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    That is probably the result of legal considerations, not technical. Both the blood and the urine test developed by laboratories in Paris and Lausanne are declared (well, by the labs themselves) as suitable for legal actions, but due to the amount of money involved in losing a lawsuit, they probably meant to be 100% bulletproof. They were using the other test of the two when one of them created a positive result, to cross-check.

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_erythropoietin_receptor_activator[/ame]

    A more elaborated german article goes into more detail, the producer of the test is Hoffmann-LaRoche.

    Regarding the Pac connection, this is a non-issue anyways, as you could take his blood sample immediately after the fight for CERA testing, which he agreed to.
     
  14. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    No it's not about 'legal' conciderations as far as I know, but to be totally sure.
    I'll try to find the article, it's a total new method developed this month in Austria. Maybe it's the same lab you're refering to.

    And I don't care about the PAC issue with this... If he really used it he probably wouldn't even be detected by the testing demands Void asked for. I don't believe Pac is using anyway, he's just very tacky with his comments on the subject.
     
  15. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Ok, found an article about the subject.
    It's not the one I read before but it clearifies the subject even more.

    On the moment 4 blood and urine test are needed to be absolutly sure, but the new test from Seibersdorf Labs,which is ready in about 6 months will only need 1 bloodtest.

    http://hometestingblog.testcountry.com/?p=5729

    I just read in the article that some athletes are detected with urine tests, but it seems it's not the best method.