Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Peter "Kid Chocolate" Quillin

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Showtimes crew is the best in the biz. You are just all up on Nelo's nuts to the extreme because he's mexican. See I can do that too.



    Nothing brawler about Canelo. Anyone who followed his career would see that he looks up to Mayweather and even likes to adopt his shoulder roll technique as he employed for long stretches vs Gomez. Apparently Trouts team did not watch tape on Nelo which lost him the fight because he wasnt prepared for Nelo to box him.
     
  2. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    On the subject of the actual fight and without the Nelo nuthugging.


    This would be a tough fight for Quillin who thrives on counter punching opportunities. CAnelo is without a doubt the better more seasoned boxer with the better all around skills.

    Quillin actually matches up better with Golovkin than Canelo. Golovkin likes to take punches given his pizza face performance vs Rosado, and would present Quillin opportunity to test that chin.

    Canelo would be able to box off the back foot and make Quillin stalk which would be render alot of Quillins offensive capabilities ineffective.

    Quillin will test that chin though. And with power in both hands he could decide the fight in one punch.

    However I'd favor Canelo from the outset.
     
  3. Hands of Iron

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    :rofl :verysad

    Sanchez is trying to craft him like that for audiences though, yeah.
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Hey Im just going by what his fans tell me.
     
  5. HawkFan16

    HawkFan16 Unshot/In My Prime Full Member

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    I'm not even Mexican, chum. Try doing some research before you make an uninformed, obnoxious remark.

    No one crew is better than anyone else; the quality of any crew of any broadcast station varies night-to-night and fight-to-fight, and also based on who's in the booth at a given time. HBO during the Garcia-Salido card was a great booth, especially with Ward there; Malignaggi is a pretty garbage commentator by comparison. Bernstein and Farhood are decent, but they have off nights and on nights like any TV guys.

    Canelo is like a patient, stalking brawler with some counterpunching and boxing skills. His most recent outing against Trout tended more toward the boxing and counterpunching. He didn't look good against Gomez when he was trying that bootleg shoulder roll imitation. Canelo does indeed have some brawler tendencies with how much he loads up on his shots and his kind of flat-footed stance. His punching technique isn't always the greatest either, he lunged in and swung a bit wildly at times even against Trout.

    He boxed Trout because he was the more skilled fighter than Trout, who is basically a volume puncher/boxer with limited skills/power, but good stamina and decent footspeed. Against a more skilled opponent like Floyd or Lara, he'd adopt a more stalking-based gameplan, because it's not smart to try and box with a better boxer.
     
  6. MichiganWarrior

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    When I see Californian nuthugging Mexican fighters I think Mexican my bad.

    Paulie is an excellent commentator. Bernstein and Farhood are the best in the business at remaining none biased. They told the truth in that Trout wasnt landing telling blows bu that the fact Canelo wasnt throwing back would let Trout put rounds in the bag.

    The fact that almost half of ESB had Trout winning is lost on Nelo nuthuggers.

    It was an easy fight. :lol:



    No. He is a boxer puncher, . Nothing brawling about him. He walked down Lopez because he was a ****ing 140lber. Other than that he likes to box, and takes entire rounds off where he likes to counter off the back foot and move along the ropes. You dont even know **** about Alvarez and im supposed to take your opinion seriously?

    Alvarez a stalking brawler wtf? :rofl
     
  7. Hands of Iron

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    Hard to fault you there: some of the worst possible representatives for fans of a fighter imaginable. I can't really say **** because he hasn't done ****. That's going to change real soon though.
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

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    Reference above, a GGG fan called CAnelo a brawler. :patsch


    How do you see the middleweight divison shaping up, young Nelo included?
     
  9. HawkFan16

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    He does what he has to do depending on the opponent. He changed tactics even during the Trout fight; sometimes he tried to walk him down, other times he did what you were saying. You'd see more stalking against a more skilled opponent he couldn't box from the outside on though. He's not a master boxer or counterpuncher; he's very good in both, but he could still get outboxed or lead on, and if that happened, he'd try and stalk, like he did against Lopez.

    Basically, he'll box bigger guys, and brawl/pressure bigger opponents. He'd box Quillin if they fought, but he'd try and press Floyd or Lara and break them down. He's more skilled than a brawler, but his technique did come apart at times, and he does lunge a bit/get wild when throwing; he does reach and come slightly off balance at times too. He clearly gets overaggressive at times, and does sit down on his punches a lot. Those are evidence of his brawler tendencies. Like I said, a really skilled counterpuncher could give him trouble; I picked Alvarez because of that. I said before the fight Trout wasn't a counterpuncher, but a a high volume arm-punching boxer, and that a Floyd or Lara type would give him more trouble.

    But whatever, you can say what you want; you were part of the "Trout's slick, Canelo getting the BBC" brigade before the fight. And now that he lost, you're pissed. I get it. I don't take you seriously.

    I can get fight picks right based on more than pigment though. Maybe you should give that a shot, other than the trolling/racist psychobabble you usually do.
     
  10. MichiganWarrior

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    He stalked Lopez because he was 20lbs bigger and had every advantage in strength, speed and power. 9 times out of 10 he fights a guy his size or not much weaker and he'll be the boxer puncher of the fight.

    You dont know **** bout baxin.
    Lol you wish I was mad. Trout isnt even a favorite fighter of mine. Not even in the top 20 if I had to make a current list. Chill kid
    :rofl Im a racist, and Canelo's a brawler. Whatever floats your boat pal.
     
  11. HawkFan16

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    You voted for "robbery" in the poll thread over whether it was a robbery. I'd say that counts as mad.

    You picked Trout in this fight to own Canelo and think Quillin would beat GGG. Sure. And I don't know **** about boxing.

    All one has to do is listen to you in the lounge to know where you stand. Or listen to the relentless BBC business.

    Whatever, I'm done. Next time a major fight comes up that I feel like you're being a moron on, I won't settle for a team avatar bet with BBall. He doesn't come off as a *****. You do. Besides, avatar bets aren't really that punishing.

    So, next time Canelo or GGG is involved in a fight you think they'll lose, start a ban bet and call me out, and I'll be happy to accept the challenge and rid you of ESB.
     
  12. Hands of Iron

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    In the immediate future, hurt by the network divide. Quillin or Canelo vs Martinez/Golovkin/Chavez are basically out of the question. Canelo will eventually be Kid Chocolate's meal ticket instead of the three he mentioned a couple months ago. It looks like Pirog may be finished. I expect Martinez to win next Saturday, and Golovkin to remove a substantial amount of doubt in June against Macklin. Hopefully, that sets up a showdown for later in the Fall but based on Dibella's behavior I seriously doubt it. Chavez II (who's been name dropping GGG and Ward likely as a means to gain leverage rather than true interest) or Geale (who threw away his WBA strap rather than fight Golovkin, though for understandably more money in a hometown down under fight with Mundine). It'll be interesting to see if HBO will try and force Lou's hand, though they'd undoubtedly accept a return JCC fight nobody really needs.
     
  13. MichiganWarrior

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    No I didnt. In every thread I said 1 round either way was fair.

    Yes I picked Trout. So the **** what. It was a close fight and I said Quillin vs GGG was a 50/50 fight. I just said that I'd favor Canelo over Quillin.

    Boy you got problems kid. ****ing Californians I swear. Emotional crazy cats.


    Canelo a brawler :rofl
     
  14. HawkFan16

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    On this point at least, I will concede I was wrong. Thought I saw you vote yes, but you are right, you didn't. My bad.
     
  15. LACMEXAME

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    I think people should wait and let Canelo move up to 160. That will probably be the last division he might fight in ha. I'm assuming he will sty at 154 for a while, or maybe not but until then, what's the point? All these guys would be solid fights in the future.