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Best album- Calling Card. What say you?

 

Dont know if this has been posted but from the NY Evening
Telegram, September 7, 1908.

THE FIGHT BY ROUNDS

[SPECIAI. TO THE EVENING TELEGRAM
Round one.Men shake hands. Papke led with left
and rushed Ketchel In the corner. Papke
landed three blows on the head, and they
clinched. Papke started to rush, but
Ketchel caught him on the chin w i th
hard left. Ketchel missed right and left
swing, a nd t h ey clinched. Ketchel landed
right on the chin, and Papke upper-cut
him wlth his left. Papke smashed right
and left to the face. Ketchel fell to the
floor. Ketchel got up groggy and was
dropped again with right and left jab to
the mouth.
Ketchel took the count to
nine. Papke again knocked Ketchel down
with left and right swings to the jaw.
Ketchel got up again as the gong rang.
Ketchel was groggy and bleeding fiercely
from the mouth.

 

"Papke floored Ketchel the first time to the opening
round with a terrific left drive to the chin. It was delivered, while Ketehel
was on his guard and to complete possession of all his fighting forces."
Quote attributed to Jeffries, October 29,1908, LA in the Goldfield Chronicle.

 

He did?

 

Just so you know. I was not saying that Stanley Ketchel wrote a book.

 

You're right. It shouldn't be that way. But it's almost like him saying or your saying he's saying, that the interviews, and or articles, that others find, are not right.

Trying to make what I said clearer: So you are saying that if Klompton says something from a newspaper article or interview that he feels is true, then that's valid?

But, If someone says that they have articles and or interviews that they think are true, but he doesn't, then their's are not valid?

I'm just trying to get a reasonable perspective.

 

Can't even wait to find out if your book is perceived accurate by others.

I won't buy it, but I might check it out from the library. Unless, you plan on syndicating it.

 

Hmm. I have to say. I don't believe that carries as much weight as what is aching to be clarified, here.

 

Is this thread a joke?
Am I missing something?

 

There is no article that's been shown that says that this is an absolute, myth except, here. What people see, say, saw, found, here, is all that matters. I get it.

 

On the contrary. If you can show me or anyone else some compelling next-day, primary source evidence that supports your contention(or anyone elses's) that Ketchel was hit by a sucker punch, injured and floored while he was merely extending his hand for a friendly shake, then I will be more than happy to consider it and research it further for verification. I'm not interested in being "right" or "winning" here. I'm interested in the historical facts.

You have been presented with a veritable avalanche of info that supports the contention that in fact Ketchel was NOT hit with any crippling punches until after well over a minute of brawling(this by even your own newspaper sources) and yet still you completely refuse to budge, as if you were defending some cherished possession that you don't want to see taken away.

Why take a stance like that? Why not just be open minded about it?

 

Question for the Ketchel experts out there, when was he born 1886 or 1887?

June 20, 1909. NY Sun;

"I was born at Butte. Montana, on September 14. 1887,
said Ketchel to T he
Sun's writer on pugilism the other day,
and not in Grand Rapids. Michigan, in
1886 as the record books have it. My
father is a native of Russia and my mother
is Slav. She was married when she was
13 years old and I was h er first child, born
a year after my parents' m a r r i a g e. My
mother's m a i d en name was Olbrieky and
her mother was a full blooded native o f
Poland."

 

I too have no axe to grind but do the underlined not meet the criteria necessary to dispell the myth, especially in the absence of any material to the contrary?
I personally have no doubt.
"Papke floored Ketchel the first time in the opening
round with a terrific left drive to the chin. It was delivered, while Ketchel
was on his guard and in complete possession of all his fighting forces."
Quote attributed to Jeffries, October 29,1908, LA in the Goldfield Chronicle.
and/or
"SPECIAI. TO THE EVENING TELEGRAM
Round one.Men shake hands. Papke led with left
and rushed Ketchel In the corner."