Scahefer no longer with Golden Boy

It will certainly be interesting to see it play out....I know Al's got a plan, and his plans usually pay off, but this is the first time he's had one that hit me as slightly out of character for him.

The smaller promoter theory is an interesting one. Spreading his top fighters amongst the smaller promoters would certainly build him back up goodwill in the boxing community, and prevent any one promotion from getting too large (unless it's one he wants to get large for one reason or another).

It's still a riskier model for him than the plug n' play system Top Rank and Golden Boy had where the dates were all but guaranteed and each promoter had pricing power because of their influence on the network. Still, I can't say I'd view it as a negative for boxing if that means the quality fighters with smaller promoters get more big-time opportunities.

Too soon to tell how it's going to turn out, but there are red flags along with the opportunity to generate more revenue.

 

But Shaw and DiBella don't have much to lose if they promote Haymon guys for Showtime. The tightening of the Golden Boy/Haymon alliance and Hershman's ascent to power have both resulted in fewer and fewer TV dates for them. Martinez is at the end of his run with HBO and honestly does not need them to make money. Other than him, what would DiBella be missing out on? Paltry midnight HBO2 paydays?

And it's likewise questionable whether becoming business-isolated would be the consequence of even associating with Haymon anyway; that certainly wasn't the case when Hershman ran Showtime and smaller promoters were able to work with both networks. Hell DiBella and Haymon just worked together for a fight that was aired on HBO.

 

We shall see, indeed- there's no way to tell where the fallout lands right now.

Haymon wouldn't be the first guy who's had significant success in other businesses that came in to find the next boxing superstar, only to find they actually are that rare.

 

See I think it's Haymon who will continue to enjoy the majority of the influence at Showtime, regardless of who has to serve as the promotional front for his fights. The aligning of interests with Golden Boy was practically convenient, but I imagine he's the one who will have Espinoza's ear the most, not Oscar or Schaefer.

I also think you may be overstating the extent to which he needs to build back up good will with promoters. Duva's pissed sure, but that's merely because he took a payday away. Shaw, DiBella, and Goossen all have continued to promote shows for Haymon fighters over the period in question and I think would be likely happy to do so for even more guys if it results in more TV dates.

 

people don't understand that though...they think "ohh ya ma'*****hhh used to throw hip hop shows and managed to pimp a few boxers, ma'nigggah is set fo life since he's with TMT MAYWEAHTER PROMOTTIONS HARD WORK DEDICATION HARD WORK DEDICATION"

You pretty much laid it flat out there for the idiots to see...he was banking huge, while not paying **** out of his pocked for over head....now, he's going to find out the hard way how hard it really is to run the show.....Richard was good, not because he was born to do it, but because he came in to an already set stable....without GB Richard would've never ever been who he is...and like it or not, without Oscars downfalls and all of Richards air time for that, he wouldn't even be knows outside of GB headquarters.....

 

The question is, will Dibella, Shaw and other smaller promoters whom Haymon can use work under the same terms as GBP (or more specifically, Schafer) did? It seems to me Haymon probably chose GBP to work with as exclusively as he did because of the arrangements he had with Schafer. Perhaps most promoters would not be agreeable to that same process and will want to have fighters under contract. Not to mention, the smaller promoters have less of a budget to put on consistent shows and likely afford the driving costs that Haymon created for his fighters with GBP.

 

That is probably what all the recent haggling and negotiations between their respective lawyers was about.

As far as Schaefer stepping down.. honestly its easy to speculate, but we will just have to find out via what he does. Some have said it was a preemptive move because Oscar was going to sue him, some have said its to start his own deal, I think its just because the lawyers figured out that Oscar had power to do what he wanted regardless of Schaefer being CEO and that did not sit with Schaefer to have Oscar come in and start meddling.

But at the end of the day, its still all speculation.

 

Those guys already worked with him under those terms once before (how do you think so many of his guys ended up with GBP so quickly?) and probably still do for the Haymon guys they currently have like Rodriguez and Arreola. Perhaps they may enjoy some more leverage at this point than before, but the temptation of more licensing fees can easily undermine that, as can the knowledge that at least one of the other promoters in their boat may defect in such a scenario.

 

Something else people need to remember, as I have seen a couple misconceptions in the thread- is that Haymon is fronting the money and providing guarantees and training costs and living stipends etc to his fighters now. He actually is acting like a promoter in that regard at least with some fighters. So in most regards, he is the one risking the money not GBP.

 

I worry though, if how this situation transpired if it would cause some hesitation in the other smaller promoters in having the same GBP arrangements and potentially having a similar issue if they disagree with how it is being handled at any time. GBP still has a profitable roster under contract even without Haymon, the smaller firms might not. If I were a promoter knowing Haymon has few options, at least not ones as stable as GBP, I would definitely take advantage and request contracts for fighters rather than the reportedly fight by fight arrangement Haymon fighters had in the past and present.

 

i remember reading an article awhile back that was pretty in depth...about golden boys model for the canelo fight....and generally how they approach, at least, floyds fights...i dont remember all of it....

but one part i found interesting is how they decline the site fee....and paid for all of their hotel rooms/food themselves.....even hired their own security and brought in their own metal detectors.....and in turn they took the gate

im guessing they did the same for maidana fight...which did a very good live gate....i wonder what the overhead is for the security/hotel/food...im guessing it couldnt be much more than 3 mil? maybe im high on that figure? maybe low? but cant be too far off.....i imagine in taking the gate though.....theres a nice source of revenue too

 

"UK won’t let Floyd Mayweather enter: Pound for pound king and two-division unified champion Floyd Mayweather has been forced to call off a UK visit scheduled for later this month after UK authorities refused to grant him a visa for unspecified reasons according to the Daily Mail. Mayweather was slated to make six appearances on his UK tour, including one in Amir Khan’s hometown of Bolton." Via Fight-News

 

it's going to lead to the fall of gbp and the rise of a new promoter.

 

thats kind of my gut feeling....but who knows

 

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