Personally I don't have a problem with the final outcome of the fight - I thought it was close. However, given how close the final scorecards were the 'un-called' knockdown turned out crucial... So, I was wondering if there is any way of justifying Ian John Lewis' decision? In my mind if someone is down from a punch, he should be counted. Ruling the knockdown invalid because someone was hit after going down is just plain schizophrenic (either he was down and then there is a count; or he wasn't and then the fight should have been allowed to continue becasue punching someone who is not down is legit). The only way you can try to make sense of the decision, I think, is if you believe that the ref would have deducted a point from Wlodarczyk for punching Frag when he was down. In that case the point subtractions would kind of cancell each other out... But I don't think any rule book says that you can write them off in your head. Views?
Fraud!!! Even scoring the 9 round 10-8 for Diablo I had it 114-113 Wlodarczyk Great fight, both fighters did their best. Fight was clean and fast. Fragomeni suprised me, if not the knockdown controversy, I wouldnt mind if he won.
Thanks for sharing your boxing knowledge. For your info, there's a question mark at the end of the thread title. And if I ask: 'Are you thick?' I'm not necessarily claiming you are (even though all available evidence might suggest the answer is positive). Equally, the body of the text makes it clear that it was the action and not necessarily the ref that was 'schizophrenic'. And personally I'd rather be 'schizophrenic' than 'on the take' or 'incompetent' - the two latter being the obvious alternatives...
It was a typical Italian job, there's no doubt in my mind it was not schizophrenia but a fix. BUT you have to admire the ref's quick thinking! He had to invent a way to give Fragomeni the time to recover and he did just that. Knowing Italian boxing he could have disqualified Wlodarczyk on the spot.
Shame on WBC for picking this ref to handling world championship fight. btw, do usually federations (like WBO,WBC,WBA,IBF) choose referee ? Asking cuz I don't know, thanks.
It happens ALL THE TIME in Boxing.The punch was not all that late. Taking away the KD as a form of punishment is criminal.It cost Wlod the fight.
"Schizophrenic" doesnt mean that a person has two different, conflicting minds or ideas inside of him, like in the movie "Me, Myself & Irene." Not the accurate word to use.
Nah. Even if he wantedd to punish him you dont take a KD away.Again this is something you see ALL THE TIME in Boxing.Frag kind went halfway down and it looked like he sat on the ropes first.
Thanks for posting the vid. Good to see what people are commenting on. My take... - agree with OP: if the guy's down clean, he's down clean. It's a kd. - if there's a late blow, then it's a point deduction, but that's separate from the kd - IMO, it wasn't a damaging or malicious blow and didn't deserve a point (isn't it usually 3 warnings before a point? I know that's flexible, but, again, you'd think it would be in egregious cases and neither blow here was egregious). Refs have to make quick calls and it can certainly be a tough job, but this was a call that I don't think jives with any rule. While equivalent to a possible interpretation of events, I think that interpretation is incorrect as well. A 2nd warning and, arguably, extra time to recover (even though it wasn't needed) would have been a better call.
