"Schmeling-Walker"... Was this necessary?

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  1. MRBILL

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    True, but sad........ A friggin' natural welter and matured middle (Walker) being seriously considered for a title shot at Heavyweight........ WTF is WRONG with this picture?????
    :patsch:shock::roll:

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  2. Flea Man

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    To the OP; Considering how much of a fight Walker puts up, I can't see any reason for it being labelled a mismatch.

    Weight meant **** all to The Toy Bulldog; he was just a double hard *******.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    And a guy that had beaten Heavies and Light Hevies.

    You're looking at it with the wrong perspective Bill; Walker was that good.
     
  4. Dempsey1238

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    Either Walker was So great, or the heavyweights talent had drop pretty badly.

    I dont know how Walker did it, but he did it. lol.

    Walker had more a weight jump than say Jones Jr vs Ruiz.

    I think Toney had more of a weight jump vs Peter perhaps. But than again, Peter did let himself go by that time.
     
  5. MRBILL

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    Walker was a great fighter. But for Christ sakes, he had NO BIDNESS contending at heavyweight...... M.W. was LUCKY heavies were typically 190 pounds back in 1932........ Regardless, he still looked tubby at 174 pounds against Mad Max Schmeling.........

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  6. MRBILL

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    I really do NOT feel that Walker of 1931 / '32 could've beaten 'Spinks' of 1985 or 'Jones' of 2003 as a heavyweight....... NOPE! I just don't see it, folks.......

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  7. Dempsey1238

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    I think Walker might beat Jones perhaps, maybe even Spinks. I dont see them just walking over Walker at the time of there heavyweight bouts.


    Wonder would Walker be rated had he got the title shot and WON it lol.
     
  8. bodhi

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    How does this prove that Max would have stayed in the US if his wife would have been with him? There is no indication for it.


    Because he proved himself against the best lhws and hws of his day. I don´t see the problem there.


    :deal:good


    He was very successful, so what is wrong?


    I don´t think he would have beaten Spinks, I´m not too sure about Jones. Jones never faced anyone as good as Walker. Walker faced better fighters than Jones ...

    And Jones wasn´t nearly as proven or successfuls as a heavy as Walker was.
     
  9. bodhi

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    Up there with Greb, Robinson, Langford and Armstrong I guess. I too think he has a good chance against Jones, Spinks not so much though.
     
  10. bodhi

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    I think Schmeling´s legacy surpasses that of Sharkey. And not due to the Louis win but their performances against Walker. Sharkey drew with him, Schmeling beat him down. I think this gives us an indication that there was a difference betweent them.
     
  11. MRBILL

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    Fellas, Ol' Mick Walker does NOT look good at this weight of 170+ pounds against Max Schmeling..... Walker's punches are short and looping..... "Mad Max" is the general here.... M.W. is outta his league up this high with an "A" opponent.......

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  12. Dempsey1238

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    Kinda of hard looking good when Schmeling is beating the bejesus out of you lol.

    Was Sharkey a "A" opponent.

    Had Schmeling not end the Walker road to the heavyweight title, We might had Walker in the long list of heavyweight champions lol.

    Hell that might have put Walker over SRR with out question :lol:.
     
  13. MRBILL

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    Jesus... Jackey Shark was only "A" grade when serious and focused..... Shark often performed down to his real abilities..... He never liked to train hard or long.....
    :deal

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  14. bodhi

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    Watch the Walker-Sharkey fight. Sharkey was ON in that one. Walker just was that good.
     
  15. Duodenum

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    According to his autobiography, Mickey initially trained for Schmeling with the same diligence Liston trained for his rematch with Ali as originally scheduled in Boston. Concentrating strictly on optimum conditioning, with no regard for weight, Walker had actually gotten himself back under the middleweight limit for the first time since Hudkins II. (That he worked so hard for Schmeling suggests that he himself regarded Max as more of a threat than Sharkey.)

    But just as Ali's hernia forced a postponement causing Liston to lose his competitive edge, a self inflicted injury of Walker's (in a foolish moment of vaulting exuberance, if I recall correctly) caused his match with Schmeling to likewise be delayed (the press at the time described it as a boil on his elbow), and Mickey was simply unable to regain that mental and physical edge he had honed himself to. When they did square off, he was five pounds heavier than he had been two months earlier for Ruggiero, coming in at a chunky career high 174.

    Walker allowed that he may not have defeated Max even if he had come in at a razor sharp 158 or 159, due in part to stylistic considerations, but he had showed with Sharkey and others that he could give away 30 pounds or more and still be highly competitive. At 159, he certainly would have been considerably faster and more mobile than he was, with improved defensive elusiveness, although aging and somewhat ring worn. That Schmeling-Walker did not come off as originally scheduled is as much of a historical disappointment in many ways as the failure of Ali-Liston II to come off in Boston.