School Me On Joe Smith Jr.'s POWA...

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    'Seanie Monaghan recently spent some time sparring Beterbiev and he was very impressed.

    Damn @IcemanScully your boy Beterbiev is an absolute Wrecking Machine! It's like trying to step out on a highway and box with a Macktruck'

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  2. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Smith Jr. can definitely hurt Artur, but putting him away won't be easy. Big kudos if he pulls off the upset, it'd be a great story.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm not mistaking anything.

    Callum Johnson is a bomber and always has been.

    Joe Gallagher himself has told me Johnson hit harder, and that he used to get the better of Smith in sparring to the point they didn't allow them to spar in the weeks proceeding fights.
     
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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Early in his pro career? He's going to turn 37 this year. He's been a pro for 12 years. In 2015, he was still going the distance with guys who were 3-10-3. To say that his opponents have been soft, even the ones who went the distance with him, is an understatement.

    Callum Johnson is not a "massive puncher" as one person described him. The fact that Beterbiev got dropped by him is troubling, because Smith hits harder than Johnson.

    So that's Smith's opportunity.

    But Beterbiev punches much harder than Smith.

    It should be fun, either way.

    But Callum Johnson isn't a "massive puncher." Neither is Smith. Beterbiev, on the other hand, is.

    Will Beterbiev's chin hold up, is the question. I think that's likely.
     
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  5. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    His career has progressed slowly, frustratingly slowly, but there's no doubt he can bang.


    How are we defining massive? Nothing less than a P4P equivalent to Julian Jackson (and even he had to win over the distance at times)? Smith Jr. and Johnson both hit very, very hard, they possess way above average power even if their delivery systems are limited (the better your delivery system, the better you can apply your power). This seems to be a semantics thing.


    Agreed. His shot is to have faith in his power and go to war.


    Well, he's been deep with some opposition he might otherwise have been expected to get to in the earlier going. Is that a smirch on his power?

    The three guys we're discussing here can all really crack.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't describe his power as "massive." George did.

    And to say they possess WAY ABOVE average power is funny because both of their knockout percentages are LITERALLY AVERAGE.

    Johnson stopped 66 percent of his bad opponents. Smith faced much better guys than Johnson, and stopped 70 percent. That's average.

    Beterbiev, of course, has stopped all his opponents.

    I expect Beterbiev to beat Smith up, frankly. It seems like a clear blowout. But, Beterbiev got dropped hard by Johnson, so there's a glimmer of hope for Smith.

    I like Smith a lot. I hope he does fine. I hope he scores a knockdown or two. I always root for them to be great fights. I'll be thrilled for him if he wins, although I don't have any interest in seeing Bivol-Smith II.

    It would be better for boxing if Beterbiev won, IMO. But at least they're all fighting.

    Bring on Beterbiev-Bivol, please.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    That ref is a pos. He should've stopped it after the 1st knockdown. That's how people get seriously hurt.
     
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  8. navigator

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    Notwithstanding who used the word first, I was asking how you define it. Just an 'on paper' thing?

    Doesn't matter, I guess. If you don't feel that Johnson is a very dangerous puncher, we'll have to disagree.


    And, as I've mentioned, records can sometimes mislead, with many different factors accounting for that.


    Helps that he has qualities that allow him to apply his power better than some other guys who also hit very, very hard.


    Me, too.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, there's a reason for that, Joe Smith Jr. had never fought at the elite level at that point and was still as unpolished, wild and raw a fighter as you could wish to find. He hadn't honed his finishing skills, which at the time consisted of flurrying wildly and very inaccurately. But since you've brought it up. When Joe has someone hurt now, he knows how to finish the job. Notice the pinpoint accuracy and immaculate punch placement that he lacked against Cummings?
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    Yeah, there's also a reason for that, Gvozdyk was an elite amateur with hundreds of amateurs bouts, known for his pinpoint accuracy. So he knew where and how to land to finish an opponent. It still took him three knockdowns. For what it's worth, I'm easily Gvozdyk's biggest fan on the site. So this wasn't some gotcha.

    Again, a reason for that as well. The Nail stopped being quite as brazen after he walked into that right hook from Karpency, and started playing it safe against big punchers, like he did against Stevenson. He tried the same approach with Beterbiev, hoping on come on late again, sadly that strategy didn't work that time. Joe's been taking the same approach lately, mainly because his recent opponents have been ultra negative, and looking to survive, so he has to break them down slowly, and not load up. Beterbiev won't be running, so he won't have to take that approach this time.
     
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  10. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's funny people saying he isn't a huge puncher. He's not known for his boxing clinics. He got to this point by being a huge puncher. Just because you don't KO someone, doesn't mean you don't hurt them or have the potential to, you still have to land the shots.

    It's like saying Groves isn't a big puncher because he didn't stop Martin Murray like Golovkin did. Well, he badly hurt Murray but couldn't quite finish him and Murray himself said Groves hit harder with the RH. But Groves couldn't quite find the finishing shot that night.

    Beterbiev will not disrespect Smith's RH, that's for sure.
     
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  11. The Townsend

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    He's stopping Beterbiev. Watch this space.
     
  12. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe but he'll have to walk through hell to do it.

    I can't wait for them to start swinging.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hardest puncher in the sport p4p, period. He hurts guys without having any real skill to apply the power consistently.

    He punches a lot harder than Inoue p4p. Sorry.
     
  14. Themessiah

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    Lol how can anybody say Callum Johnson isn't a massive puncher, his left hook is devastating
     
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  15. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The guy who dropped Beterbiev ?