Hello, some of you may know me from the ESB General Boxing Forum but I was interested in the basics of the sport of MMA, I'm so used to boxers taking usually 20 plus fights to get a title shot but in MMA you see people with 10 or less getting them, why is that? Also, how many title defenses usually and years as a champion does it take for a fighterto be recognized as p4p or an ATG? I remember Chuck Lidell's name being mentioned on TV as a potetil p4p guy, but I saw he only had 5 defenses of his LHW title, so I was a little perplexed, I'm more used to guys lik Hopkins and Calzaghe with 10 year or so reigns. Also how long can an MMA fighter expect to stay on top, are there any 10 year reigns like in boxing and 20 plus defenses? And also are there any MMA fighters that never tap out in submissions no matter the conseqences? In boxing we always hear about fighters that would rater die than quit and I was wondering if this carried over in MMA and would this be a good idea for an MMA fighter to not ever submit in a submission? And what does it take for a fighter to become EliteXC world champ or UFC world champ? I would be thankful for you all to school me on the sport, Im quite new to it and don't understand some of the things like I do with boxing.
I think one of the cool things about MMA is that it's not ***** to admit defeat. You don't need to be bludgeoned to death and carried out on your shield to be considered a "man." There are a lot of "boxing fans" who are too ***** to even step into a ring to spar, yet have the balls to call a fighter like Acelino Freitas a quitter & a ***** for admitting defeat J. Diaz. It's like either they're living vicariously through that fighter or they use that moment of "weakness" to somehow boost their "manliness." Also, a fighter who doesn't tap from a joint lock risks way more to his career than a fighter who does. Again, it's all about admitting defeat and realizing there's nothing unmanly about getting caught. Disappointing? Yes. Emasculating? No.
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Hello, some of you may know me from the ESB General Boxing Forum but I was interested in the basics of the sport of MMA, I'm so used to boxers taking usually 20 plus fights to get a title shot but in MMA you see people with 10 or less getting them, why is that? Because in Boxing most of the records are padded. MMA most of the guys do well for a handfull of small shows then get a chance in the big times and of course there if they run off a handful of wins you will get a well deserved title shot. Also, how many title defenses usually and years as a champion does it take for a fighterto be recognized as p4p or an ATG? I remember Chuck Lidell's name being mentioned on TV as a potetil p4p guy, but I saw he only had 5 defenses of his LHW title, so I was a little perplexed, I'm more used to guys lik Hopkins and Calzaghe with 10 year or so reigns. Well you say Chuck only had 5 so heres my chance to school you :good Chuck actually had 4 which is considered a big deal the record is actual 5 held by Tito Ortiz and Matt Hughes. If you can defend the title 2 times thats a big deal because in MMA you are pretty much forced into fighting the very best contenders out there unlike in Boxing where alot of time is spent fighting undeserving mandatorys. Also in MMA theres several ways to end the fight its really hard to have those unbeaten records that we seen in boxing. There are unbeaten fighters like Rashad Evans and Lyoto Machida or guys like Fedor who have one loss on a techniqality and avenged it thats why you will see a man like Randy Couture who had a 16-8 record but hes well respected for it cause you look at those 24 fights and count the rematches hes fought 12 former UFC World Champions thats 50 percent of his career right there and theres also Kohsaka(the one who beat Fedor),Jeremy Horn(defeated Forrest Griffin,Chuck Liddell),Pedro Rizzo 2x(defeated Josh Barnett,Andrei Arlovski,Dan Severn),Gab Gonzaga(defeated Cro Cop). Also how long can an MMA fighter expect to stay on top, are there any 10 year reigns like in boxing and 20 plus defenses? I can assure you 20 defenses isnt going to happen but I suppose there are long win streaks like Fedor whos won 26 straight fights(all at a high level that 1st win was vs Ricardo Arona a former Abu Dabi Champ whos defeated Wanderlei Silva) and his resume is like a boxers hes had his share of softies and world class opponets. Wanderlei Silva probablly had the longest tenure as Champ calender wise he held his Pride Middleweight title from November 01 to Feb 07. And also are there any MMA fighters that never tap out in submissions no matter the conseqences? There are a couple who spring to mind like Renzo Gracie let his arm break vs Sakuraba really its a Gracie thing though them men are to proud of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu to tap out. Phil Baroni is another whos went out cold in choke holds to Pete Sell and Frank Shamrock by refusing to quit. In boxing we always hear about fighters that would rater die than quit and I was wondering if this carried over in MMA and would this be a good idea for an MMA fighter to not ever submit in a submission? Yeah its not a real good idea to not tap if the submission is locked in properly and the pain is damn near unbearable. I already mentioned Renzo and theres Tim Sylvia who suffered a arm injury vs Frank Mir 4 years ago when Mir secured an armbar. Being proud and tough is great but serious things can happen Don Frye didnt tap when Ken Shamrock had ankle locked both his legs in 02 which wound up destroying both his ankles and he was never a quality fighter agian. If the move is just uncomfertable then no dont tap or if theres an escape route or reversal you can try then explore those options before tapping but not tapping just for the sake of refusing to quit is kinda stupid. I hate tapping out in BJJ practice but its the smart thing to do if theres nothing I can do about it. And what does it take for a fighter to become EliteXC world champ or UFC world champ? Elite XC is a solid promotion but the UFC Champions are the worlds best IMO right now so ill break down what there Champions have and you should see alot of similarties. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueria is one of MMAs finest Submission artist hes basically a instant submission once the fight hits the ground,plus hes a former Amateur Boxing Champion and he has incredible cardio,toughness(the guy was actually hit by a truck when he was younger therefore lost a rib,part of his liver and was in the hospital nearly a year) and a rock hard chin. Theres a reason hes the only man to become Pride and UFC Heavyweight Champion. He used to train with one of Brazil and the entire Worlds best Camps Brazilian Top Team now he trains at Blackhouse which is another fine camp includes Lyoto Machida,Anderson Silva,Paulo Filho ETC. Light Heavyweight Champion Forrest Griffin hes one of the guys who not incredible at really any main skills but he has a insane work ethic he trains extremly hard and is a tough as they get infact he thrives of getting hurt or bloodied it up it makes him fight better. He has real solid all around skills he can box,has solid Muay Thai,pretty good wrestling and hes strong on the ground including off his back he has a very effective guard especially striking hes one of those guys who can cause more damage off his back then the man on top of him. He surrounds himself with a strong team at Xtreme Couture Vegas. Anderson Silva has arguablly MMAs best all around striking he has pro boxing experience and has won some Muay Thai Championships and blends it all into MMA almost perfectly. Hes also a BJJ Blackbelt and he has just an amazing combo of speed,quickness,accuracy,balance,power,composure ETC. Hes another member of Nogueiras camp Blackhouse. George St.Pierre the Welterweight Champion is a guy who like all is in amazing phyiscal shape and works hard to be that way. He has good striking abilities especially with his kicks. Hes a more comfertable ground fighter though hes developed into possibly MMAs best pure Wrestling and he has execellent Ground and Pound skills. Hes also strong at Jiu-Jitsu hes currently a Brown Belt. Like the rest he trains with a strong group of fighters like Patrick Cote,David Louiseau also Greg Jackson camp with has Rashad Evans,Keith Jardine,Nate Marquardt. He wrestles with the Candian Olympic team and even boxes under former Champion Otis Grant occasionally spars with Joachim Alcine. Lightweight Champion BJ Penn is actually the 1st non Brazilian to ever win the World Jiu-Jitsu Championships and actually won it in just 3 years of training which is just crazy. Hes developed into a fine wrestler his sprawl is just sick and hes got tremenous striking especially his boxing but he can also KO opponets with knees. He like the rest trains with the best guys out there like Joe Lauzon and Uriah Faber and Churuto Verrismo ETC. As you see all of these guys train with great fighters and just have a real well diversified fighting game known of these guys are slouches in any real important areas. I would be thankful for you all to school me on the sport, Im quite new to it and don't understand some of the things like I do with boxing. Its all good you ever have more questions you can PM if youd like.
One main difference in Boxing and MMA upsets are more likely to happen in MMA the gloves are smaller and if you get rocked or slip there is no time to recover no standing 8 count.
This is very true. So good records are much harder to come by in MMA. Couture is 16-8 and is still considered ATG because he's beaten very good competition in those fights.
Plus, MMA fighters don't spend 20 fights beating up guys found in clubs, on the streets, and then finally fighters brought in from other countries with 4-16 records.
Wow, where the hell have you been? Haven't seen you around here in ages. How are things making out in college? But on to your post . . . MMA is pretty much still in its infancy so an ATG hasn't even really had the opportunity to have a 10 year reign on the top. MMA is also WAAAAY less predictable than boxing. With so many different ways to lose you never can tell who is gonna win as long as both fighters have decent pedigree. Not submitting to a submission can cause one to either go to sleep or have severely broken limbs. Both are highly undesirable. You put to together a string of 3 or 4 really impressive victories and you'll be fighting for the title. Having a record of 34-4 in MMA is extremely difficult to achieve, definitely moreso than in boxing so a fighter's W's are really respected. Gonna eat dinner now so I can't go into further detail. Good to see you around, though.
^Thanks, I'm doing well in college, I'm about to start my junior year of college in a couple weeks and am working at a retail store part-time now and will continue to do it on the weekends when college starts. And thanks everyone for the MMA help.