School me on what Canelo just did historically

I reckon Alvarez is still considered the lineal champ, regardless of whether or not he holds some trinket to justify it. That isn't to say I like what he did, however.

 

Rid**** Bowe dumping his title in the trash to shamelessly duck his mandatory opponent Lennox Lewis isn't too dissimilar.

 

Did Bowe bring someone up 2 weight classes to defend "middleweight" title?

Yeah, didn't think so...

 

:yep:lama

 

How many times has a Jr. MW won the lineal MW title at a catchweight proposed by the champ himself?

Boxing has been a big circus for a while if you haven't noticed, and not just the MW division.

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Danny Green dumped a title before his 1st defence because he had an epithany in 2008 saying he wanted to protect himself and his family and no amount of money would bring him back. He came back a year and a bit later and still fights today(after getting KO'd twice and suffering a supposedly serious burst appendix and another 3 year retirement).

 

No , he gave that away. I don't think you are allowed to run away. Part of keeping the lineal title is that you have to fight the other top guys . . . from the division you hold the lineal in . . . Maybe its changed to where it's like getting a key to the city?

 

Yeah but Green is a joke to begin with. At least Canelo was once taken seriously

 

I surprised at how many people considered Canelo the MW champion, I can expect that from Casuals though.

For us who follow the sport very closely, we know Canelo isn't a MW. Prior to the Cotto fight Canelo had not once fought a MW, been ranked at MW, or even fought a Sanctioned MW bout, hence why he wasn't a MW. We realize his fight with Cotto had less to do with titles and more to do with the fans asking for that fight for some time.

The MW division is a total joke. Here's how irrelevant the titles are at MW, especially the WBC title.

You have Sergio Martinez the lineal MW champion cashing out going into a catchweight fight against Cotto knowing he has a bum leg . Cotto who has never fought at MW and isn't even ranked the top Jr. MW.

Then you have Cotto defending his new MW title at another CW against Daniel Geale. Then right before fighting Canelo at another CW Cotto dumps the belt with a big middle finger to the WBC making the title even more worthless than it already was.

Canelo beats Cotto at the CW and inherits the joke of a title.

Canelo has NEVER ducked anyone. Knowing everything I know about the WBC I'm going to give Canelo the benefit of the doubt and accept that he doesn't want to be dictated too by a corrupt organization and rushed into making a deal in possibly and likely what can be the biggest richest fight of his career.

Bottom line is Canelo has proven to NOT duck anyone even if stylistically they pose a very bad style for him, or even if they are coming off big wins ala Trout, and Cotto, or anyone else even if they are high risk low reward. If I waited 6 years for Pac-Mayweather to fight and who ripped us off knowingly, I can wait for Canelo and GGG to have proper communication without the pressure of having a deadline dictated by a corrupt organization.

 

True. But it was an example of boxers doing similar things.

 

In the initial days of the division, champs were able to change weight limits so Canelo isn't the first there, although using it as a ploy to not fight someone is a first from what I've experienced.

The closet thing is Steel and Apostoli, Steele said he would face Apostoli at 161 pounds. Similar is Zamora and Zarate who also fought just over the limit.

So that's in terms of the weight issue.

But in terms of the belt the most similar is Bowe vs Lewis where Bowes vacated his belt rather than face Lewis.

The only one of those 3 with no fight taking place was Bowe v Lewis and it is remembered as one of the biggest ducks in history.

If Canelo v Golovkin doesn't happen, this will be remembered similarly.