School me why Jung Koo Chang should be considered among the best ever at his weight class.

Flea has him # 1 Flyweight in the '80s.

Your list of all time flyweight greats means nothing if you meant it to refute what Flea posted.

The all time list you gave has nobody from the 80s above Chang, and has Laciar and Zapata below him.

You see, for most of the 80s, the 112 titles, epecially the WBC title had a plethora of short reigning champions.

Chang was a stalwart holding the WBC 108 title for 6 years.

Then you had Laciar, winning the WBA title more than once, and being pretty consistent over a long period. Zapata was better at 108, but did hold the WBA 112 title for quite some time. He was matched very carefully as 112 champ, though.

Both you and Morlocks, who liked your post I quoted, seem to have gaps in your logical resoning abilites. Flea is cocky as hell, but seems to have logic on his side.

 

I guarantee those historians polled have seen less, researched less, and know less about flyweight and below that I do.

I mean, they have Ricardo Lopez top 10, which says it all really.

 

And to think you wanted to be my latex salesman!

 

Cite one example of a foreign fighter getting robbed in Asia. I'll wait...though this may take a while.

 

Anybody want to buy any lawn chairs? I've tried rearranging them but they look somewhat crass and unseemly and I've just remembered that I don't have a lawn. ****ing proper waste of coin, those c###s. Mendoza, if you want them, Im willing to part. They'd be great for reclining in when reading boxrec or doing a spot of vigorous wanking to Kovalev knocking out Nathan Cleverly. If you're skint, don't worry. There's always gumtree or e-bay.

 

Rare films:

Jimmy Wilde vs Tancy Lee 1 complete fight
Chartchai Chionoi vs Susumu Hanagata 1 complete fight
Jung Koo Chang vs Rodrigo Saonoy complete fight
Fighting Harada vs Unknown flyweight opponent
Jimmy Wilde vs Joe Conn exhibition
Jimmy Wilde vs Joe Symonds II complete fight

Just some examples. And yes, I would go tit-for-tat with anyone based on flyweights and below. I know that Douglas Cavanaugh (formerly Surf Bat on here not sure if he still posts) has an encyclopaedia knowledge of the flyweights too, yet I reckon he’d concede to me as well, ask him yourself if you want. A certain historian currently working on a top 50 flyweight ranking has asked me for info throughout the process. Im currently working on a top 10 list of the light flyweights drawing on Korean language biographies and Japanese language magazines. Name me another historian (no doubt the majority of those IBRO folks are American or at least western) that carry out that amount of research.

So no, it’s not arrogant. I’m in my 30s and have been researching for the best part of 15-20 years. Admittedly I have carried out the bulk of my research in the last decade. I’m thorough, and I ensure that I don’t have gaps in my knowledge when it comes to these little guys.

But of course you know better.

 

I’ve got one: Chang was robbed against Chitalada IN KOREA

 

You obviously CANNOT READ

I do not have Chang no.1 overall at flyweight you absolute cretin. I have him no.1 at light flyweight

 

Just this weekend Carlos Canizales won a very fair decision over Sho Kimura in China. The latter is based in China and very popular there following his win over Shiming.

 

Chang lost to Kittikasem at 112 lbs. At 108, he only has two losses- Gonzalez and Zapata. Chang is 1-2 against the best fighters.

Zapata's record against the best fighters (at 108): 1-1. Zapata beat Chang and lost to Chang. Other fighters he beat weren't above his Caliber.

Chiquita's record against the best fighters: 3-2. He beat Chang and Carbajal (x2). Lost to Carbajal and Sorjaturong.

Carbajal's record against the best fighter: 2-2. Carbajal beat Gonzalez and Arce. Lost to Gonzalez twice.

Zapata has two losses against fighters who weren't at his level: Ursua and Lopez.
Gonzalez was stopped by Pascua in a title defence. Pascua was nowhere near Chiquita's level.
Carbajal lost to two fighters who were below his level: Pastrana and Matlala. Matlala was 35 years old and way past his prime.

Chang only lost to the very best. You won't find a single underwhelming loss on his resume. That should show you the class he belongs in.

Lets take a look at the light flyweight division. 4 fighters who belong at the top- Chang, Carbajal, Zapata, Gonzalez.

Chang turned pro at 17, retired at 28. Chang fought for 10½ years.
Carbajal turned pro at 21, retired at 31. Carbajal fought for 10½ years
Zapata turned pro at 19, retired at 34. Zapata fought for 15 years**
Gonzalez turned pro at 18, retired at 29. Gonazlez fought for almost 11 years

Chang's losses didn't come when he stepped up in competition, it's when he stepped out of competition i.e retired and came back due to financial issues.

**Zapata fought at 108 for 5½ years. Zapata was finished after 10 years (Bassa-Zapata 2). He never cracked top 10 after.

3 title defences against 2 novices.

Sot Chitalada (4 fights). Chitalada lost to Chang at 108 and won a world title 6 months later, at 112. His reign lasted almost 6 years (combined).

Hideyuki Ohashi twice (6 fights and 10 fights). The first time Ohashi fought Chang, he was 5-1. He had beaten Tadashi Kuramochi in his 3rd fight. Kuramochi had fought Chang 8 months earlier and went the distance. Ohashi stopped him in the first round. Ohashi was also the Japanese Light Flyweight Champ (both times). Second time around, Ohashi was 8-2. Ohashi lost to Chang twice and went on to become a 2x Strawweight champion.

Zapata made 3 title defences against novices (at 108). 4-1-2 (Kim), 6-1-1 (Crawford), 9-1-1 (Becerra). Zapata made 10 title defences. Chang made 15.

What about the close decisions that didn't go his way? Sot Chitalada 2 and Zapata 1. IN KOREA!


Chang is the best Light Flyweight of all time imo.

 

A green Zapata losing by decision to world titlist Alfonso Lopez is to be held against him now? Another account to put straight on ignore

 

Buuurrrrn!

 

It's all that wanking to Kovalev -Cleverly in deck chairs or whatever, it's made him go almost blind. His mam probably warned him but I daresay he replied that out of all the wankers he knew, the best ones were 4-0-1 against blindness. And Russian, coincidentally. The best one was a ginger Mexican but it was a wanking robbery, that one. Robbed/wanked blind.