I don't know if this is discussed already, because I've been avoiding the forum since saturday's event, knowing it would be a shirtshow. But I really want your guys opinion about this because it turns out Alvarez would have won (or at least drawn) on the cards even if Kova would have had 2 good rounds in 11 and 12. Lederman 96-94 Canelo Trella 95-95 Moretti 96-94 Canelo. What do you guys think of those scores, and what were yours at the end of round 10?
Here's how I scored it live. 10-9 Kovalev 10-9 Kovalev (close) 10-9 Canelo (close) 10-9 Canelo 10-9 Kovalev (nice clean left hook by Canelo but not enough else imho, Kovalev landed a body shot and a decent combo) 10-9 Canelo 10-9 Canelo 10-9 Kovalev 10-9 Kovalev 10-9 Kovalev So I had it 6-4 Kovalev after 10. This is just how I scored it live, but there were several rounds that could go the other way. Like Round 10, for example. I'm sure if I watched it again I could give it to Canelo but live I scored it for Kovalev. Also the round I think should be discussed is round 5. 2 out of the 3 judges gave that round to Canelo, and it's unclear who Don Trella scored that round for, if you look at his hand written scorecard it's very confusing and isn't clear who he scored that round to nor is it clear how he ended up with a 95-95 score. You'll see what I mean if you look at the scorecard photo. But at least 2 of the judges (possibly all 3) gave that round to Canelo. My reaction was that Canelo landed the best shot in the round but that he didn't do enough else and I noted that Kovalev landed a good body shot and combo. Punch stats have Kovalev landing 3 more shots overall in this round and 4 more power punches than Canelo. There's no doubt how good that left hook was by Canelo, the judges were obviously wowed by that but I still am content with giving Kovalev that round. Like you said based on the offical cards Kovalav could have retained his title had he won the last 2 rounds. On my card Canelo would have needed to get at least a knockdown to win. But even though I had Kovalev up by 2 points I thought maybe Canelo was up by a round or it was even, as some of those rounds were very close with Canelo landing the more eye catching power punches.
Shadow, your scorecard is terrible imo and I'll tell you why...…..you yourself say a lot of the rounds were so close they can go either way but you you decide to give them to the fighter backing up and throwing pitter patter punches. That just doesn't add up with me. I would think that when a round is fought really close that you have to think about who to give it to, you would decide to give it to the aggressor that's landing the harder shots.
Simple fight to score in my opinion. Kovalev boxed "his fight" for majority of that fight. IE distance, jab, potshots and movement. Canelo spent most of the time looking confused in that fight. Missing, not cutting of the ring, throwing a couple of counters and that's it. Until kov started gassing and distance closed. 7-3 kovalev.
I didn't have time to think about it, I only watched it once live and that was my score. Which rounds did you disagree with? If I watched it again I might have given more rounds to Canelo but watching it live I just thought that Canelo didn't throw enough in many of those rounds. Yes he was landing the better shots when he did throw and was blocking most of Kovalev's jabs. But I still didn't quite see enough from Canelo to give him some of those rounds.
I typically score 1st round feelout rounds even when there isn't much that seperates them, so I scored the 1st round even. I gave Canelo rounds 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, and 10 Kovalev rounds 3, 5, and 8
I cant for the life of me credit a tapping jab that a 12 year old could take without blinking a scoring blow. ……..and no, a fighter who's afraid to put real effort behind a punch is not fighting his fight and certainly not dictating anything in the ring so we certainly couldn't say Kovalev was the ring general in there.
Why are jabs so unimportant to people on this forum? You have hit them hard, the jab is the most important punch in boxing, if Canelo was a better boxer, he would have dealt with that jab.
So you're going to give a non eventful round to the champ just because he's the champ...... …...I don't score that way, and neither are the judges instructed to give any more credit to a fighter just because he's the champ.
Ok lets see here : 2 out of the 3 judges gave Kovalev the 9th, only Julie Lederman gave that round to Canelo. You agreed with me about round 5 giving it to Kovalev. (Trying to decipher his card, I think Trella scored that for Canelo also, that's the only way he can get to 95-95 so that means all 3 judges disagreed with us giving that round to Canelo) I think this shows that we weren't wowed by that left hook to the extent that we ignored the rest of the round. Round 8 I think was probably the clearest Kovalev round. I personally thought Round 1 was a relatively clear round for Kovalev, at least compared to 2 and 3 which were closer imho. I get that it was a feel out round but I didn't think Canelo landed anything really that impactful that round compared to some of the other rounds. 9 and 10 I will have to rewatch, Compubox had Kovalev landing 5 more punches in round 9, so I think there's definitely an argument for Kovalev winning that round, moreso than round 10 which had Canelo landing 5 more punches and if I recall one of those punches caused Kovalev to buckle a little bit. So round 10 is a round that I might have gotten wrong but I think I'm content with giving Kovalev the 9th. But again will have to rewatch. The easy to score rounds for me were 1,4,6,7, and 8 and we agree on those rounds aside from 1 which you scored even.
When thrown properly and with effort, the jab become effective, when thrown the way Kovalev threw most of his, that jab of his the way he was throwing it is not effective what so ever. There was not travel in the way Kovalev was throwing his jab, his arms were already well in front of his body and he was really just pushing his jab trying to get Canelo to counter it so he could block and then have an opening to throw a hard shot of his own. In other words, Kovalev was already in a defensive position while his jab was traveling so there is absolutely no way his connect could have anything on it. …….and the thing about it is that for as many ineffective jabs that Kovalev landed, Canelo was landing just as many shots, only most of his were of the effective variety. Its not like Kovalev even with his push jabs was outlanding Canelo, he simply was not. Kovalev was throwing more shots, but he wasn't landing more shots.
this is how i was seeing the fight, and the aftermath. rd 1 rd 2 ed 3 rd 5 rd 6 rd 7 rd 8 rd 9 rd 10 rd 11