Scorecards for Whitaker vs. Hoya

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  1. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How did you have that fight scored?

    Second part, if you were to discount the lame rules that automatically took away a point from Pea for a headbutt that Hoya received... How does your scorecard look then.. if you just go by who won that round.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    Watched it thrice.

    First time gave it Pea just. Second time Hoya just. Third time Hoya just.

    Very close fight.
     
  3. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hey luf.. as for my second part... if you didn't take away a point for Whitaker.. how does that change your scoring if at all
     
  4. McGrain

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    Oscar De La Hoya UD12 Pernell Whitaker

    OSCAR 2,3,4,7,8,10,12
    PEA: 1,5,6,9,11

    7-5 Oscar De La Hoya

    For the first time ever one of my cards matches Lederman's exactly, I gave exactly the same rounds to each man. It is quite a difficult fight to score and that's reflected in the scorers ringside. Lederman gave it to Oscar, Merchant gave it to Whitaker or saw it a draw depending on what he did with the last round, 3 judges gave it to Oscar, 11 writers gave it to Oscar and 14 writers gave it Whitaker. I make that a dead heat if Merchant found a way to give the twelfth to Whitaker, the slimmest of edges to De La Hoya if he scored the 12th otherwise.

    Pea looked like he was going to take it based upon round one, Oscar just looked legitimately befuddled in mp opinion but Oscar was able to up his workrate and just take some chances. His original plan to walk through a fighter who wouldn't even be there if you got there was obviously ludicrous, but the boiled down version worked well for him in about the 17th fight where the HBO crew tells us that Oscar's best punch is his left hook but he can't throw it tonight.

    The ludicrous WBC rule regarding accidental headbutts set Pernell a real stall and after he lost the third and fourth on my card I had my doubts, but he put together his only two rounds in a row in the fight in 5 and 6 to make it competitive again and combined with the messy knock down (which evened things up nicely on the cards Karma-wise) he was right back in the fight. Unfortunately for him, Oscar just knows judges and he upeed his game after the 9th and again in the 12th. As we now know, he needn't have bothered his arse, but it was a good determined play.

    A real what-you-prefer type of fight, and personally I like to score for the guy that learned the more hurtful punches. I thought it was interesting the way Oscar abandoned his own jab, just like he would against Mayweather years later...I think he thinks he can't throw it when he's being out-boxed, he just needs the statement punches. It worked for him here, but with diminishing returns on his speed, he would get caught out next time.

    I do think that Whitaker looked old. Whenever I watch him in his younger days he looks unnatural in the ring he is having such a good time. He always looks to me like he's playng basketball when he's boxing, but here things had a bitter twist - he wasn't quite fast enough.

    A word for Oscar's corner who were pitiful. In the rounds that turned the fight around, the third and the fourth, he had great success choping Whitkaer out of clinches and giving him a push here and there. The corner shat it off the cut and read the fight all wrong when they demanded their man stay outside. I think Oscar knew it too. Shame he didn't heed his own heart over the matter, he may have won this clean.
     
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  5. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My friend.. if you take away the point deducted for Whitaker.. how does that change your scorecard? Don't most agree that is a pretty lame rule?
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    I can't remember tbh mate.
     
  7. McGrain

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    114-112 I guess.
     
  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do you think that is a fair rule McGrain?
     
  9. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I believe I had Pea up by 1 pt.
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Round 10 is one people usually give to DLH.

    Do people that score that round for him acknowledge that his flurry at the end of the 10th didn't land at all? Check the 2:00 min mark of the vid below:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atONMjfkxso

    If so, what did he really do to win the round?
     
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  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    7-4-1 for Oscar. or 7-5 Oscar. The 10th was a very close round like SS stated. scores WAY too wide for Oscar.


    Peas the man regardless :bbb
     
  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Oscar was far from ATG at that point. Still a tad green. He had what, 20 fights, and was fighting the P4P #1?

    Greener than Leonard vs Duran for sure :yep
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    Tough, underrated win for DLH.
     
  14. turbotime

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    If only Oscar had a good right hand at that stage :nono
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, Oscar was the # 1 p4p at the time of the fight, and a near 3-1 favourite going in.

    Oscar was already past his own peak, which was at 140 :)
     
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