An Interesting fight. Unfortunately, I have no time now. Though, I will also watch and score in a few days, or next weekend.
Stopped reading, when you called a round with a KD even. I thought Rockistas were biased! You take it to a whole other level What a clown.
Yes it was. If you had an inkling of knowledge about this fight you would know this. The fight was scored on a RBR basis, Referee Teddy Waltham had Ali ahead 7-2-2, and Judges Felix Ohlet and Fleischer each had Ali leading 7-3-1. I've never heard of any judge, nor anyone with an ounce of impartiality scoring a round with a KD even using the aforementioned rounds system. As a matter of fact, to my knowledge only once, (Holyfield-Moorer I) did a judge score a round with a KD even, and that was on the points system, and it was bull****. Unfortunately, I'm too tired to educate you any further. Find that information yourself.
Rounds with a knockdown being scored even is very rare but not unprecedented. Frank Liles vs. Jaffa Ballogou had a round that Liles dominated before getting knocked down towards the end, and both commentary teams opined that he'd won the round regardless, which I assume would come out to a 9-9.
In England, up until the end of the last century, if was not unusual for the referee to score rounds even or even against a boxer who had scored a knockdown if the other boxer had been dominant. Remember that back then, the referee was the only man to score the bout. You can find examples of a fighter scoring as much as four knockdowns in a fight, and still lose on points.
Rounds with a KD are able to be scored even in a fight which uses the ten-point system, not the ten-point-must. If you go down, but otherwise dominated, you can feasibly get a 9-9 round. Obviously that's what you get if they won the round 10-9, but lose a point for going down. I always think in those rounds: "did he do enough to outweigh going down?", the answer - which is usually No - can mean you score the round even or even a win for the fighter who was down, but he has to lose a point, and somebody has to win ten.
We were talking about how rounds with KDs are scored on a Round by Round scoring system, not the points system as the above poster is referring to. PLEASE try to keep up.
I saw that fight live on ABC's Wide World Of Sports , Howard Cosell was doing the commentating. Muhammad Ali was having trouble with Karl Mildenberger's southpaw stance and his right jab. The punch that hurt Ali was a liver punch, and the fact that Karl did not fight the usual European role, that he was going to go down for good, having been outclassed. Mildenberger was a very determined challenger on that Saturday afternoon. He was game all the way. As another great poster put it, he was the toughest title defense for Ali in his first title reign, 1964-1967. I remember the hype going into this fight was that Ali might burn himself out as champion, because this title defense was his 4th of 1966, and his fights were not too far apart. Ali had also lost to southpaws in the amateur's.
