Scoring Fights From Recent Years.

Went through the HBO best of 2017

Gonzalez vs Rung Vi Sai all 3 judges plus Lederman
1- 8-10 RV
2- 10-9 G only judge 3
3- 10-9 G all 3 plus Lederman
4- 10-0 G 1 and 2 plus Lederman
5- 10-9 G all 3 plus Lederman
6- 10-8 G all 3 plus Lederman and Steve Willis said last warning before taking the point
7- 9-10 RV all 3 plus Lederman
8- 10-9 G Lederman, judges cards not shown
9- 9-10 RV all 3 plus Lederman
10- 9-10 RV all 3
11- 9-10 RV all 3 plus Lederman
12- 10-9 G didnt see Harold or real judges scores for it
f: 114-112 for Gonzalez 7-5 in rounds
1 Feldman 114-112 RV...2 Lederman 114-112 RV...3 Roldan 113-113 Draw

Very good fight and for the most part I felt it was pretty easy to score as the judges and Lederman seemed to agree on a ton of rounds. I found it odd that Roldan didn't score the 4th for Gonzalez considering it mirrored 3 and 5 which he gave to Gonzalez. Round 2 i was a little against the grain so that helped make the difference on Julie Lederman and Glenn Feldmans cards.

Very violent fight, Gonzalez came out kind of slow but the cut seemed to light a fire under his ass. I wont call this a robbery but I dont see how Rung Vi Sai got the nod. I think I could definitely switch round 2 but that would make it a draw. I dont think many rounds were close. There seemed to be clear winners in the rounds.

 

Golovkin vs Canelo

1- 9-10 C and all 3 judges
2- 9-10 C all 3 plus Harold
3- 10-9 G judge 2 and 3
4- 10-9 G all 3 and Harold
5- 10-9 G judge 2,3 and Harold
6- 10-9 G judge 2,3 and Harold
7- 10-9 G 1, 2, and Harold odd judge 3 didnt score for GGG as it mirrors the last several
8- 10-9 G 2,3 and Harold
9- 10-9 G judges not shown but Lederman agrees
10- 9-10 Canelo all 3
11- 9-10 Canelo Lederman too but no judges shown
12- 9-10 canelo saw none of the other scores
f- 115-113 Golovkin

1) Byrd 118-110 Alvarez
2) Moretti 115-113 Golovkin
3) Trella 114-114 even
Lederman I believe had 116-112

Going back and watching this fight with no commentary, crowd noise, booze in my system, suspense of the live event and a room full of people cheering this fight was a lot less exciting than it was with those other factors. I did not score it live because of those things and I dont like to score a fight or take a hard line without scoring a fight rbr and wont really disrespect the sport and judging by basing my opinion hard line without a real serious card. I did agree with Lederman a lot live and felt Golovkin won handily. When watching it again seeing Harold differ on 2 rounds was interesting.

I know a common theme of the fight was Canelo won the first 3 easily and the last 3 easily and Golovkin won everything in between. I find this to be false as two judges gave Golovkin the third which I did too and Lederman gave Golovkin round 1 but not round 3. Not exactly cut and dry between 3 official judges and 1 former judge who is a regular TV scorer. I mean to me round 1 and 2 were very close. I know Golovkin really only landed jabs in round 1 but they were hard jabs. Golovkin was the ring general. Canelo threw flashy power shots but they didnt appear to really land clean maybe even not as clean as Golovkins jab.

I had 4-9 as a sweep though I thought 5 was pretty tight despite everyone but Byrd giving it to Alvarez. The first 5 rounds reminded me much of De La Hoya vs Mayweather in ways. In that fight Oscar was able to use his size and jab to corner Floyd and then have ineffectual barrages on the ropes and corners while Floyd had the more accurate and flashy work. Difference being Golovkin was more consistent and defensively responsible and Alvarez was less accurate or effective as Floyd. One thing Golovkin fell short on that Oscar did vs Floyd was an inability to counter.

This fight to me fell into a pattern. Golovkin jabbing Alvarez to the ropes and trying to find a way to hit the elusive target. Canelo sees everything and makes most miss or rolls with them. Alvarez fires back and Golovkin backs out of range making Canelo miss but does not make him pay. Alvarez then goes back to the ropes and rinse and repeat. This to me in a subsequent viewing without the suspense and drama of not knowing who wins kind of results in a dull fight.

I was stunned to see Trella not give Golovkin round 7 only because 4-9 were very similar dare I say identical rounds and Trella scored all but 7 to Golovkin (9 wasnt shown in the breakdown so he may have differed but I dont know)..Given I had it 115-113 and Trella had 114-114 I would say its most likely the 7th is what costed Golovkin and to me its bizarre he scored it that way.

Round 10, 11 and 12 sort of reminded me of Froch vs Dirrel. Froch was ineffective but very aggressive and Dirrel was super accurate and sharp but was very negative. Alavrez showed a lot of bravado hanging on the ropes and lots of defensive savvy but from 3-9 or 4-9 his offense was pretty dead. In 10 on he suddenly decided to let his hands go more and was very effective. Dirrel turned on a dime late in the fight hurting Froch and landing constantly but just ran out of time.

In the 12 rounds I really dont think Canelo ever hurt Golovkin but did land the highlight real shot of the fight. Golovkins highlight shot was a looping right around the guard cant remember the round. I do think Golovkin momentarily hurt Canelo in the early part of the 9th but Canelo masked it well and did well to survive and fire back.

All in all I cant say with any confidence was what Byrd was watching. I guess a draw is fair I mean Trella and I had very similar cards with Byrd and Lederman giving Alvarez the third and a large chunk of fans too. I wouldnt fight you tooth an nail if you said he deserved that round...Maybe you can argue the 5th to Canelo but 2 of 3 plus Harold saw it for GGG. At the same time Lederman gave GGG 10 and it was a close and competitive round. 7 rounds for Alvarez to me is stretch but 8 to Golovkin isnt necessarily. Moretti at 115-113 GGG and Trella even feel like the right card..I will say Alvarez had the body language of a beaten man in the announcing and post fight in ring interview

The rematch, if there is one, boy thats tough

Both seemed to take one anothers power. Both had plenty in the tank to go 12 and the last 3 were hard fought. I know Canelo gets the stick for his gas tank and he was heavily out worked but he finished strong.

-GGG does he hit the body? Its a huge weapon for him in other fights but very unused here
-Does he jab and move more? I mean Alvarez came out very negative but he is historically bad at facing movers who make him lead. GGG has stuck and moved example Lemiuex, I thought he would have fought Canelo like that
-Can GGG counter him this time, something he didnt do. Or can he time him in an exchange like he did vs Geale and Wade and nail him mid punch. This didnt happen ever in the fight, there were not too many exchanges it was a lot of turn taking

-Canelo, did he see something in the 10th. Canelo to me was only truly hurt seeming in 1 round. Other than that he took everything very well. As mentioned he turned a switch late and I felt he swept 10 on or at the very least 11 and 12 which saved his ass. Did he see a flaw or did GGG just stall out? If Canelo opts to come out of his shell early and try and trade or being the aggressor how does this go for him. Does he get caught? Does he gas? Or maybe he takes initiative and wins clear.

 

Ward vs Kovalev II

Ward 1.4.5
Kovalev 2,3,6,7

KO 8 for Ward

 

To fill in the blanks :

In the 9th, 2 of the 3 judges gave it to G, Byrd gave it to Canelo. (same scoring to the 6th, the 8th, and the 5th and the 3rd) Rounds 3, 5, 6, 8 and 9 are the rounds that Byrd disagreed with the other two judges, giving Canelo those rounds that the other judges gave to Golovkin. Rounds 7 was the round that Trella disagreed with the other two judges, giving it to Canelo. The other 6 rounds (1,2,4,10,11&12) all 3 judges were in complete agreement, all 3 judges giving Canelo 1,2,10,11&12 and all 3 judges giving Golovkin round 4.

All 3 judges gave 10,11 and 12 to Canelo.
I just want to point out that your scorecard is identical to the "majority" official judges scorecard, meaning you gave the fighter the round who at least 2 of the 3 judges gave the round to, resulting in a 7-5 G card.

Rounds 3 and 4 appeared to me to be the typical "make up" rounds. Canelo had a 2 round to 0 lead on all 3 cards after round 2 and G started doing a little better in the 3rd and the 4th so the judges gave him those rounds. This happens in a lot of fights, but plenty of fans who had G winning gave Canelo the 3rd round. (many of them gave G one of rounds 10-12 or round 1 to offset the 3rd and still have G winning)

In my estimation I thought Canelo won the 3rd round pretty clearly, but the 4th round was very even and could go either way. So it's no surprise that G swept the 4th if judges were looking to give a round to Golovkin (even Byrd gave that to Golovkin) to even up the fight. G did fight well in the 4th but I still thought Canelo just edged it. Round 4 in my estimation is debatable, where as Round 3 I really don't see how you can give to Golovkin, but two judges did, and that's important to point out that G won 2 back to back close rounds on 5 of the 6 cards. (rounds 3 and 4, rounds that could have both gone to Canelo)

FYI Byrd gave the 5th to Canelo, the two other judges gave it to Golovkin. Canelo was definitely winning this round in the first 2 minutes, but then Golovkin landed that big punch with Canelo on the ropes and Golovkin finished well in the final minute. It was definitely a pretty tight round, I personally gave this round to Golovkin due to him landing that punch with Canelo on the ropes and finishing well in the final minute. But that's certainly a round you could give to Canelo for what he did in the first 2 minutes. (HBO punch stats in this round had Canelo with a 4-5 punches landed advantage)

Interesting comparison, with Golovkin fighting Canelo in the first 5 rounds kinda how DLH fought Floyd in the first 5 rounds? Canelo was slightly busier vs Golovkin than Mayweather was vs DLH, and one thing about DLH vs Mayweather is that he pretty much abandoned the jab after the 5th round if I recall. Where as Golovkin used the jab more consistently throughout the fight vs Canelo.

Trella gave the 9th to Golovkin. I'll have to go back and watch Round 7 again.

Interesting comparison to Dirrell Froch. Canelo certainly came out with a similar urgency in 10-12 vs Golovkin that Dirrell did in 10-12 vs Froch after appearing to give away some of the middle rounds.

 

Lederman disagreed with all 3 judges who gave it to Canelo, Lederman gave the first round to Golovkin.

Lederman agreed with Byrd in the 3rd round giving it to Canelo. While the other two judges gave the 3rd to Golovkin.

I wanted to comment about the 7th round now that I had a chance to watch it again.

Canelo started the 7th well, but I would say this was one of Triple G’s better defensive rounds. He blocked well and actually slipped a good amount of Canelo’s punches in the 7th. Canelo got hit with more jabs in this round that he usually does, but Canelo also landed a good number of jabs himself. It appeared that G landed more jabs than Canelo did in this round, but once again the biggest punches in the round were landed by Canelo.

Canelo landed a nice body shot with a 1 minute left in the round. Canelo landed a nice counter left hook with 24 seconds left in the round, G though countered it with a decent left jab that partly landed and somewhat pushed Canelo back to the ropes.

Then Canelo on the ropes ducked and slipped a right hand from Triple G and Canelo countered with a big right uppercut to the body with 17 seconds left. (Lampley called it "a terrific uppercut by Canelo stopping Triple G in his tracks") We didn’t get a clear view of this punch landed by Canelo because G’s back was facing the camera and they didn’t show any replays of it. But it was obviously a big body punch by Canelo and probably the best punch of the round.

Canelo followed that up with a solid jab with 11 seconds left, then made G miss a series of punches. Then Canelo got a nice right hook into the body with 6 seconds left in the round.

Both men landed jabs simultaneously with 4 seconds left in the round, G got in a light jab right before the round ended as part of a combination that was mostly blocked by Canelo.

After the 7th round, Sanchez in the corner was concerned that G lost the round as he told Golovkin “you let him take that last part of it, you gotta be consistent the whole round . . . the last 20 seconds are very important, you can’t just let him work in the last 20 seconds”.

This was kinda the opposite of the 5th in that Golovkin appeared to be on his way to winning the 7th round, but Canelo had a great final minute, and he did especially well in the last 30 seconds. I’m guessing Trella was impressed with that big body shot by Canelo with 17 seconds left and how Canelo finished the round.

And it’s not like Canelo was doing nothing in the first two minutes of the round. He was getting hit with jabs, but was pretty much going tit for tat as far landing jabs on Golovkin. If you divide the 7th round into 1/6s, Canelo won the first 30 seconds, then Golovkin appeared to win the next minute and a half, landing several jabs and forcing Canelo to back up, but then Canelo appeared to win the last minute of the round with those big body shots while landing (and receiving) some jabs.

Hard round to score, what I didn’t like from Canelo in the 7th is that he wasn’t defending himself as well as he was in the other rounds. He was getting hit with too many jabs in my estimation. On the other hand, Golovkin didn’t really land any big punches. Canelo appeared to narrowly avoid several right hands from Golovkin in this round with head movement, and Canelo landed the big right uppercut to the body late in the round.

You could argue Canelo stole this round in the final 30 seconds. But much like Canelo was on his way to winning the 5th after 2 minutes, before Golovkin evened it up in the final minute, Golovkin was on his way to winning the 7th after 2 minutes, but then Canelo evened it up the round in the final minute with those big body punches along with some jabs.

I don’t really have a problem with either guy winning this round, it comes down to what you prefer : G landing a few more jabs throughout the round or Canelo starting the round strong, landing those two big body shots in the final minute and finishing the round strong.

Golovkin was definitely the aggressor this round with Canelo on the backfoot, but it’s about the landed punches, and if you value hard body shots you could give the 7th to Canelo based on those.

 

It's hard to tell where that uppercut by Canelo with 17 seconds left in the 7th round landed. Golovkin's back is blocking the camera. At first I thought it was a body shot, but maybe it landed right on Golovkin's chin or in the chest / neck area. It definitely landed hard as it shook Golovkin and Lampley commented on how terrific it was. It would help if we had a better camera angle to see how it landed!

 

The scoring is up to the promoters...............

 

Really good analysis, mate.

 

Seeing PDub laying there sleep with his eyes open, deflated my evening. Was a tremendous shot from Martinez, and a shame there were cowardly duckers at welter who wouldn't fight him. He should have never went that high in weight

 

Try that Niyomtrong-Landero match from earlier today. I had it a draw while IB had it 115-113 for Landero. I’m interested to see what score you get. You score it too! @CST80

 

I thought Trout got jobbed in that one on my initial viewing. Will have to watch it again sometime. Wonder if there was drug testing for the fight. Trout seemed to take Charlo's power pretty good.