Scoring Loma's Losses

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Nov 18, 2023.


What should the 3 results have been?

  1. Loma goes 3-0

    22 vote(s)
    17.6%
  2. Loma goes 2-1

    56 vote(s)
    44.8%
  3. Loma goes 1-2

    28 vote(s)
    22.4%
  4. Loma goes 0-3

    19 vote(s)
    15.2%
  1. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    I've watched them countless times, and I've previously timestamped all the single digit punches landed in that round, those that did and did not land (but thought too by many) - I've done this comprehensively

    you can pretend I haven't though even though I'm certain you've seen those posts
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Countless isn't enough.

    Rewatch them tonight in real time and score the rounds.

    Try to have a fresh perspective to remove your own bias.
     
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  3. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    You don’t know what you’re talking about dude
     
  4. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    After reading through this thread, I went back to check Loma's record and it still says '17-3'. WTF???
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Why would Loma's record change from me scoring his fights?

    Same way me scoring Floyd v Canelo 12-0 Floyd doesn't change that Floyd scraped an MD in real life, or me scoring Floyd v Hoya 8-4 doesn't change that Floyd scraped an SD in real life.

    None of these things will ever change, but boxing is a subjective sport so it's important to watch fights yourself and score them yourself.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You've commented on here about 2 rounds that you haven't scored properly.

    What I'm saying is you should watch the rounds again today, in real time and see how you score them.

    At the moment you're clearly biased about the situation, evidenced by your first post, so remove the bias and watch them again with a fresh perspective.
     
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  7. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    I’ve watched them on numerous occasions at separate times because I’m aware one can score one round differently on a separate watch.

    Ive timestamped the punches before clearly documenting that Loma landed cleaner shots and more frequently in rounds 2 and 6. If you want me to waste my time and do it again I will watch it later this week and get back to you

    You’ve scored 5 rounds to an injured one armed much smaller Loma..one round is needed for a draw. When I clearly outline the timestamped punches in rounds 2 and 6, I hope I can expect reason discussion of the landed punches in these rounds (ultimately punches landed is the main criteria, there’s no ring generalship if you aren’t landing and getting tagged) . I can admit when I’m wrong, I hope you’ll can too when I go through the rounds
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    But you're too biased right now, that's what I'm saying. You need to watch them again with a fresh perspective.

    You also need to avoid talking of slo mo and time stamping, that's not how boxing is scored.

    You score a round by watching the fight and seeing who you think won the round.

    I've literally just watched the fight in full and given my scorecard. When you do that on a fresh rewatch without any bias, let me know.
     
  9. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    How you are scoring is fundamentally flawed. You’re seeing punches fly around but you have no idea if they’re landing , you just assume they are even if they’re not or you’re uncertain.

    There is 0 bias in my method and way more bias in your method, since you choose to believe punches landed for one fighter when by simply having a closer look they are not.

    You’re approach is opinion over fact, or what you think rather than what is actually there.

    You can pretend you’re being the objective one but you’re not. I’m the only one here who has timestamped every single punch in that round and compared their cleanliness. You have done absolutely nothing to claim I’m the one being biased so you can get yourself off that high horse.

    Boxing is about clean punches landed ultimately, if you can’t see the punches or don’t want to understand what punches actually land then I don’t think you should bother trying to claim your perspective is true.

    “You score a round by watching the fight and seeing who you think won the round.”
    So basically 0 attention to detail, or curiosity into who actually landed the better work.

    how about this, since I’m the only one putting effort into objectively judging these rounds, I challenge you to timestamp all punches landed in round 6 (or round 2) for me. One round 3 minutes.
     
  10. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    No, you aren't scoring the round at all, when judges score a round they do so in real time, they factor in the 4 scoring criteria and score the rounds accordingly.

    What you're doing isn't scoring a round, what you're doing is trying to play compubox through a biased lense.

    As I said, only one of us watched this fight yesterday and it wasn't you.

    Try watching it again, with fresh eyes to remove your bias and preconceptions and let me know how you score the rounds.

    I'm not timestamping all punches landed in round 6, this isn't a compubox thread, it's a scorecard thread. Start a thread debating timestamped punches if you want, but that's not what's going on here.
     
  11. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    And wow. I just watched round 6 back real time didn’t even need to slow it down. How in the **** can anyone score that for Lopez? He literally did ZERO for 2 mins 45, then uppercutted Lomas chest ay the end of the round and barely touched Loma with the right hand. Loma significantly outlanddd Lopez in this round. I’m actually shocked how anyone can score this round to Lopez

    Round 2 is for sure harder to see than Round 6 which is just absolutely a Loma round
     
  12. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

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    okay you’re scoring without any accuracy, cool.

    Round 6 you can clearly see real time Loma winning that round, 2 is for sure harder to see.
     
  13. kingcracker

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    besides lopez gameplan, strength and size he had re aggravated a persistent shoulder injury
     
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  14. bjl12

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    Funny thing is ppl want Haney FOTY even tho, out of Lomas 3 losses, that fight was a draw or Loma win.

    Nonetheless Haney is good for boxing. He's the antithesis of Tank/PBC in that he takes meaningful fights
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    You should never need to slow it down, never. Fights are scored in real time.

    Where have you got this mental idea that to score a round you have to slow it down and timestamp it? That's not how it works.

    Again, you have to watch a fight in real time and pick a winner based on 4 scoring criteria.