Scoring Loma's Losses

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Nov 18, 2023.


What should the 3 results have been?

  1. Loma goes 3-0

    22 vote(s)
    17.6%
  2. Loma goes 2-1

    56 vote(s)
    44.8%
  3. Loma goes 1-2

    28 vote(s)
    22.4%
  4. Loma goes 0-3

    19 vote(s)
    15.2%
  1. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,428
    8,875
    Oct 8, 2013
    I voted 1-2 I had him losing to Salido and Teo (a draw possible) and I had him beating Haney
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,367
    21,814
    Sep 15, 2009
    I didn't know about the injury, or if I did I've forgotten about it, do you have a source?
     
  3. kingcracker

    kingcracker Member Full Member

    144
    167
    Jun 27, 2021
    lufcrazy likes this.
  4. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

    1,391
    1,431
    Aug 24, 2022
    You’ve literally said words here, it all has zero value, because at the end of the day punches landed is what matters and I’ve demonstrated that Lomachenko lands more and cleaner punches in round 2 and 6, that is as objective as it gets. You can play on all the words you like, you don’t really have an argument to stand apart from “score it real time” that’s not an argument. I’ve scored the fight using real time and slow motion to assess what lands and the impact of what has landed.
    Round 2 and 6 are Lomachenko rounds, get rid of your bias for Lopez who actually just walks forward and lands nothing, something you seem to be giving credit for some reason
     
    Jackman65 likes this.
  5. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

    1,391
    1,431
    Aug 24, 2022
    Many gave Loma rounds 2 and 6, including Ward and Crawford. Round 2 is a round where if you haven’t got a sharp enough eye you don’t know what lands because 1. Not much was landed 2. Those punches landed where hard to see

    The argument you’re making is just straight up Dumb

    the 4 scoring criteria-
    Defence - Goes to Loma as he was hit less and landed more punches
    Effective aggression - not Lopez as he just walked forward missed punches and got outlanded
    Ring general - not Lopez as he couldn’t land as was getting outlanddd
    Clean punches - objectively Loma
     
    Jackman65 likes this.
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,367
    21,814
    Sep 15, 2009
    We're debating scorecards, not slow motion time stamps.

    If you want to debate slow motion timestamps, do a thread on that. But here we're debating scorecards.

    Tell me when you've watched the rounds in real time and scores them properly.
     
  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,367
    21,814
    Sep 15, 2009
  8. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

    3,967
    1,061
    Dec 1, 2012
    I think that fighters should actually fight in slow motion so that the rounds are easier to score.

    If they insist on fighting in real time, the fight should be scored by a random message board poster watching at 0.25 speed once the fight becomes available on youtube.

    Winner has belt delivered by UPS.
     
    MarkusFlorez99 and Hi-Tech like this.
  9. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,743
    1,920
    Sep 15, 2010
    Loma probably had an injury, most boxers do going into a fight.

    Didn't really seem to bother him in rounds 7-12 though.
     
  10. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

    1,391
    1,431
    Aug 24, 2022
    Words with no value . You’re straight up wrong
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,777
    16,806
    Jan 13, 2021
    You're not even going to take him up on the offer and score ?
     
    Hi-Tech likes this.
  12. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

    12,300
    26,800
    Nov 4, 2017
    Defeated Salido 7-5 (and Salido should have been deducted points for low blows)

    Lost to Lopez 7-5

    Defeated Haney 8-4
     
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2023
    MarkusFlorez99 likes this.
  13. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    81,367
    21,814
    Sep 15, 2009
    Least I'm straight up. You watching a fight in slow motion and playing compubox is not how fights are scored.

    Rewatch the rounds in real time, remove your bias and let me know how you score them.
     
    Hi-Tech likes this.
  14. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

    1,391
    1,431
    Aug 24, 2022
    I've already scored it real time earlier, he just conveniently chose to ignore it, as he does. I said, round 6 was clear Loma round, round 2 was hard to see because fast but infrequent punches and difficult to seee angles (which a combination of slow motion and real time clarifies)
     
  15. MismatchHypejob

    MismatchHypejob Active Member Full Member

    1,391
    1,431
    Aug 24, 2022
    You are not actually reading what I'm saying ...which I've repeated before... I watch real time and in slow motion to assess number and impact of punches landed. Your method is entirely inaccurate and half assed, just stop pretending you're the one without bias