Scoring Loma's Losses

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Nov 18, 2023.


What should the 3 results have been?

  1. Loma goes 3-0

    22 vote(s)
    17.6%
  2. Loma goes 2-1

    56 vote(s)
    44.8%
  3. Loma goes 1-2

    28 vote(s)
    22.4%
  4. Loma goes 0-3

    19 vote(s)
    15.2%
  1. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    - Beat Salido 7-5. Salido should have been DQ'ed or had 5 points taken away.
    - Beat Haney 8-4.
    - Lost to Lopez 7-5. He started too late and gave away too many rounds.
     
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  2. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any fool having sLomo undefeated and drinking that 400-1 amateur record cool-aid deserves the ignore list not knowing crap about boxing. Always a good fighter, never close being great.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    This thread is purely about his pro career. Nothing to do with the amateurs.

    You'll probably find the exact same people who score for Loma here will have scored for Floyd against Castillo.
     
  4. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Speaking of, those Loma schools Floyd comments at the height of the hype were the new king of ESB dumb, weren't they? Haha.

    Lomachenko is a very good fighter with an eye-catching style that looks great in highlights but turns up short vs. various professional styles, and some of his unearned ABC titles were literally bought by Bob Arum pocket (Salido, T-Rex etc.), which is just not a very good historical look.

    My Christmas wish is Gervonta stopping being lazy and putting a TKO to the very colorful loss column of sLomo's professional career and the equally colorful excuses the fanboys will come up with. But neither of those are too keen to fight anytime soon.
     
  5. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not to pick at an old scab, my man, but I couldn't disagree more. The Floyd Super Fans are absolutely no friend of Lomachenko.
     
  6. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    You can make a strong case that Loma is undefeated as a pro.

    In his prime, Loma is one of the greatest I ever seen, in my lifetime or the next.
     
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  7. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    He is, perhaps, the greatest 17-3 fighter of all time. In fact, there are very few in that category to even compare him to.
     
  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Guaranteed I'll find someone who scores these 3 for Loma and scored for Floyd Vs Castillo
     
  9. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Depends how highly you rate Floyd I guess. Would have been cool seeing him against Popo and Casa at SFW or LW.

    If Loma and Davis fight, the losers fanbase will go mental. Guaranteed.
     
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  10. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    True but that is also why he isn’t an all time great. The three things that stand out for me are:

    1) 17-3 and yeah the Haney fight was a bad decision but it’s still a 17-3 record.
    2) Loma’s relatively low KO %.
    3) His body of work as a pro just doesn’t stack up.

    Loma is beautiful to watch and passes the eye test, especially with his movement but the only thing that counts is his record. I don’t see any real legacy fights on it and the ones that could have catapulted Loma to genuinely elite status were losses.
     
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  11. Mazza

    Mazza New Member banned Full Member

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    Wheres the option for a draw

    Beat Haney and Salido, draw with Lopez
     
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  12. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No it doesn't, the fact that he handled Pac, DLH, Mosley, Chico, JMM, Canelito, Hatton, Zab and barely broke a sweat whereas Rigo and Linares rates Lomas career as well as Salido & Lopez tells me a clear outcome. Late Floyd would easily out-box him 10-2 but remember a great chin saved arguable a much greater JMM from getting stopped, Mayweather packed a punch.

    But real trouble comes vs. younger Floyd who lit up Chico like a Christmas tree - sLomo already looked like the 400-1 amateur unable to stop Salido ripping his body apart on the inside, b!tching to the ref a sht, and Floyd is an ATG at that range. A little elbow here, hit & hold there, body batterment combined with borderline low blows, spinning him out and smacking him, stepping on his toes, all the tricks with deceptive clean power shots, that boy wouldn't know what hit him the next Saturday, absolutely no inside game whatsoever. Take away sLomo's feet and distance and he's a lion stuck in the mud with crocodiles attacking from down under.

    You need to tell me which Floyd fight suggests that Lomo with his size, troubles vs. said opposition and skill set can compete.
     
  13. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do it. Talk is cheap.

    And I guarantee I'll find a Floyd fan or one of the usual suspects (ie the race hustlers) or both who don't like Loma.

    That this seems to be such a blind spot for you is perplexing to me.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    A small part of me, even though I adore Inoue and watching these Japanese cards in the morning/afternoon, wants to see Inoue subjected to the same treatment over in the US and robbed so some of his Nippon fetishist hipster creep fanboys (and I'm referring to a specific type of fan here not Inoue fans or Inoue super fans in general) who think they're super cool because they idolize malnourished jockey-sized fighters, especially ones who hail from Japan, South America and Mexico, even more so if they're obscure fighters from these regions, just so we can witness the biblical meltdown which ensues and them suddenly locating their moral compasses (I don't really want Inoue to get screwed over but you get the point)
     
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  15. GGGfans

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    1-1-1 for me
    114-114 vs Salido (but Salido should have taken a penalty point for a low blow).
    112-116 vs Lopez
    115-113 vs Haney