Scott Cardle is an arrogant, unlikeable BUM

Smith batter DeGale? Nonsense. But what is a bigger nonsense is to say Quigg would have beaten Frampton had he started earlier. All casuals say this because they don't understand, Quigg didn't choose to start slow. He was totally bamboozled by Frampton's control of distance to such an extent he couldn't throw any meaningful punches. So ok, later in the fight Quigg took some risks and walked into range and had some success. Simple logic would suggest 'start like this earlier, win fight', but no - starting like that would have resulted in being stopped against an elite level counter puncher. Frampton would have won that fight whichever way he chose to - the key word being 'chose' - as he dictated how that fight panned out.

Quigg - who claims to be a gym-rat so it can't be a fitness issue - has started slowly in big fights twice, in his first defense of the title against Salinas in which he scrapped a draw and against The Jackel, for the simple reason he's a solid fighter but nothing more. Anyone who claims he should have beaten Frampton or might in a rematch is living in a fantasy world.

Scott got lucky to pick up a couple of world titles. And when I say pick up - I mean have them handed to him. He must be the only boxer to hold two world belts but never actually won them in a bout. He's a solid fringe world class pro but that's it. Your whole Gallagher defense falls apart on the basis you rate Quigg so highly.

Callum Smith is decent and could develop into something more than that and win a world title, but don't fall so easily for the Sky hype.

 

Spot on about everything you said it's telling that Quigg who did not engage with Frampton was the one with the broken jaw by the end of the fight. It was abit like the Vlad and Fury fight one of them did not swing much because of the fear of what would come back.

Trust me I used to think Callum was a great talent but I think we were fooled by the Rebrasse, Fielding and Mohammedi fight. He's a good talent but I think a different trainer will be necessary at some point to take him to the next level. Callum relies to much on power, fitness and body punching he needs to add some head,body and feet movement to his game other wise I can't see him beating Degale, Ramirez or even Jack, he would also struggle with Groves too(provided his chin doesn't give out).

 

Those are characteristics of all Gallagher fighters: Little head movement and very basic footwork, with a high tight defense. That's fine up to a certain level, but at the highest elite level it's not enough. And as for Gallagher's corner work, well when a trainer is telling his fighter he's behind on Sky's scorecards you have to wonder. Truth be told he's a decent trainer who inherited a strong (but not great) stable of fighters. Let's see in 10 years when he brings another crop through if he's still as highly rated as he is by some.

 

Spot on, I'm agreement with everything you said. I also give credit for what he's done for the likes of Crolla etc but for me Gallagher is the British Robert Garcia in the sense of all his fighters fight the same way regardless of weight division. Right now his the in-coach for the British/match room fighters like Garcia was a couple years back but these kinda guys don't stick around too long, but like you said all will be revealed in a few years time if I'm right or wrong.

The best coaches for me are the ones who look at the strength and weaknesses and improve his fighters accordingly off that information (Manny, Nacho, Futch etc) rather this one style fits all type of approach that these new age coaches do (Garcia, Mayweather snr, Gallagher).

What do you think of Crolla v Linares with that being said?

 

i rate gallagher, he improves fighters. It does have to be said though i feel hes really benefited from hearns matchups..& his fighters do tend to lose when they are the underdog... except crolla

 

That's a tough fight to call. If you'd asked me four years ago about Crolla I would have said not a chance of a world title but he's proved to be a way better talent than his early career suggested. So I guess some credit has to go to Joe for that, perhaps a case of a perfect match-up between a boxer's most effective style and that of his trainer.

Linares is a hard fighter to call. All this three defeats have been TKO stoppages, so he can be hurt, and his win over Kevin Mitchell flattered him somewhat as Mitchell was pretty much a shot fighter by then. And Crolla has unearthed a powerful body punch from somewhere in the past year. With all that, I might tentatively go with a Crolla late stoppage.

 

It's scary how much we think alike on this topic, you were right on the money. Crolla has one chance coz lets be honest he has too advantages one is the guy is a little machine and two he goes to the body very well, if he gets another tko by a body shot I'm gunna start calling him the body snatcher.

I think linares superior boxing will show but the guy has paper machete skin and suspectible to injuries plus he has been inactive. So I could see a big chance Crolla stops him late from pressure while linares is on the way to a points decision. If he's not too rusty then I expect linares to show why skills pay the bills but if he's not the same linares then Crolllas amazing run will continue.

 

You're a Gemini, you'll think the opposite tomorrow....

 

Is that you Tesco Joe?