Scott Ledoux's title shot at Larry Holmes

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  1. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Uh, the only 'big name' he fought in 1980 was a totally shot Muhammad Ali. He fought a bunch of stiffs and a has been. Sounds like the 1979 war with supposed scrub Mike Weaver scared him quite a bit. Holmes was smart in taking the easy money but it should be acknowledged that he did so and avoided tough comp. And 1980 wasn't the only time he did so. The most glaring example was after the scare against Witherspoon in 1983.
     
  2. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes didn't have much pride when it came to these defenses. I remember him clearly stating in an interview at the time, "I just want to fight little guys for lots of money." It was such a waste to watch these fights...as if LeDoux or Zanon had even a remote shot at beating him. These were sacrificial lambs that the WBC accepted as title challengers.
     
  3. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larry fought No. 1-ranked Earnie Shavers in September of 1979 and No. 2-ranked Leroy Jones in March of 1980.

    The LeDoux defense in Minnesota was an act of kindness. LeDoux's wife was diagnosed with cancer and Holmes arranged for the title shot because Scott needed money for her medical bills. The diagnosis was terminal, but she lived another 10 or 11 years, thanks in large part to a couple of operations he was able to afford after earning that purse.
     
  4. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I never knew that. Interesting.
     
  5. fatcity

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    Should that,in fact,be the case-Holmes gets a big pass on this mismatch defense.:thumbsup
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Holmes should get credit for the fact that he did defend four times within that year. There weren't many available top rated challengers.. John Tate signed to fight Mike Weaver at year end 1979, and they met in March of 80'. Tate lost. Weaver was already beaten by Holmes. Coetzee might have been a reasonable defense but had already failed against Tate then signed to fight Weaver later in 80'. Some of the other young prospects that we'd come to know later weren't ready. There just wasn't much available at the time.
     
  7. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, that's a thing about Holmes, when you see him talking now he's very nostalgic and wants to boost boxing and his own legacy and makes it seem as if he fought the best available challengers ... but at the time he was very open about looking for the easiest matches for the most possible money.
     
  8. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't generalize his entire career as being that way though. Holmes didn't start taking softer touches until probably from 1983 onward, at which point his reign wasn't far from over anyway.. From 1978 to 1982 he fought Ken Norton, Earnie Shavers, Mike Weaver, Renaldo Snipes, Trevor Berbick, Leon Spinks and Gerry C00ney. Like it or not, that was the division. Anyone else who was around at the time like John Tate was just a flash in the pan or losing to challengers that Holmes was beating.
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Yes, he started around the C00ney fight I think.
    The soft touches he fought before that were "filler" fights really.
     
  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Regardless of whatever one thinks of Gerry C00ney, he was a legitimate opponent at the time. Hindsight shouldn't change that. Those filler fights as you say were to stay busy and provide him income in the absence of more qualified people. I can see arguments for him needing to give Mike Weaver a rematch or perhaps fighting Coetzee but other than that, there really wasn't much around.. Dokes was promoted by the same umbrella of Don King productions. So that fight was never going to happen. And prior to late 1982 Dokes was known as the guy who drew with Ocasio and barely squeaked by tex Cobb. There just wasn't much around for Larry in his Prime.
     
  11. Vince Voltage

    Vince Voltage Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Berbick and Weaver were considered nobodies at the time they fought Holmes, so don't give Larry too much credit for taking them on. It wasn't until later that they made names for themselves.
     
  12. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After the fight, Chris S. (a class act) went to interview Ledoux and Ledoux's seconds to get their take. They wouldn't let him finish a sentence, pushed and shoved Chris, and said Scott was robbed because Larry 'poked' him in the eye; even tried to grab the microphone away. Low-life trash IMO. A few minutes later when Chris was with Cosell? (can't remember) he interrupted and said he'd NEVER been subjected to such abuse in his career as a commentator. "Wood chopin-thugs" is how I would have described them. Absolutely deplorable.
     
  13. Ragamuffin

    Ragamuffin Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks jowcol. Never knew that had happened. Very unprofessional, and gives boxing a bad name.
     
  14. sweetsci

    sweetsci Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Per Ring, here's where Holmes' challengers were ranked going into the fights -

    Alfredo Evangelista #6 (Holmes ranked #1, Ali champ)
    Osvaldo Ocasio #5 (Holmes ranked #1, Ali champ)
    Mike Weaver #8 (Holmes ranked #1, Ali champ)
    Earnie Shavers #3 (Holmes ranked #1, title vacant)
    Lorenzo Zanon #7 (Holmes ranked #1, title vacant)
    Leroy Jones #6 (Holmes ranked #1, title vacant)
    Scott LeDoux #10 (Holmes champ)
    Muhammad Ali #5
    Trevor Berbick #7
    Leon Spinks #3
    Renaldo Snipes #10
    Gerry ****ey #3
    Randall Cobb #9
    Lucien Rodriguez unranked
    Tim Witherspoon #9
    Scott Frank unranked
    Marvis Frazier #10
    Bonecrusher Smith #9
    David Bey #3
    Carl Williams #12
     
  15. Ragamuffin

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    I think the Bonecrusher gave Larry a tougher fight than he expected, having him trapped and hurt in a corner at one point in the fight.