Seeking the truth about Jermain Taylor

Amsterdam · Aug 23, 2007

A great write up, let's all give Marauder credit. I feel your analysis of him is spot on and you put it well into an essay format.

Pavlik is going to remove him brutally before round 5, you can count on that.:good

klion22 · Aug 23, 2007

Amsterdam said:

A great write up, let's all give Marauder credit. I feel your analysis of him is spot on and you put it well into an essay format.

Pavlik is going to remove him brutally before round 5, you can count on that.:good
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Boy are you going to look stupid for saying that.

Fab2333 · Aug 23, 2007

MacManJr. said:

That chick is ridiculous!
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yessurr:good

Fab2333 · Aug 23, 2007

Amsterdam said:

A great write up, let's all give Marauder credit. I feel your analysis of him is spot on and you put it well into an essay format.

Pavlik is going to remove him brutally before round 5, you can count on that.:good
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it was a goodpost, while I do agree with some points.
BUt Pavlik winning I dont agree with.
Pavlik by round 5 KO? Nah Amsterdam cant rock with you on that. I see JT winning this one

Amsterdam · Aug 23, 2007

Fab2333 said:

it was a goodpost, while I do agree with some points.
BUt Pavlik winning I dont agree with.
Pavlik by round 5 KO? Nah Amsterdam cant rock with you on that. I see JT winning this one
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Fine with me, but if my prediction hits, I hope everyone doesn't act like they saw it coming if they were picking Taylor.:yep

theHawtness · Aug 23, 2007

poor jermain. he has ducked no one, although he wins impressively. give the guy his due. you are all too harsh on him. an unimpressive win is still a win. let's pray for JT.

Fab2333 · Aug 23, 2007

Amsterdam said:

Fine with me, but if my prediction hits, I hope everyone doesn't act like they saw it coming if they were picking Taylor.:yep
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No not at all, I dot flip flop. If Pavlik wins I will admitt you were right. But I dont see it happening is all im sayin. Im rocking with JT on this one. I been rocking with him for a min now, since he been fighting on espn. I picked him 2 beat B-Hop, and even though some people thought he lost the 1st fight, and mayb the 2nd. For the record he won so im not gon pick against him now. He will beat Pavlik, with Jabs, and hooks

MacManJr. · Aug 23, 2007

Fab2333 said:

No not at all, I dot flip flop. If Pavlik wins I will admitt you were right. But I dont see it happening is all im sayin. Im rocking with JT on this one. I been rocking with him for a min now, since he been fighting on espn. I picked him 2 beat B-Hop, and even though some people thought he lost the 1st fight, and mayb the 2nd. For the record he won so im not gon pick against him now. He will beat Pavlik, with Jabs, and hooks
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If he just listens to Manny it won't be hard to beat Pavlik.

English Nutter · Aug 23, 2007

He Hate Me said:

You guys amaze me sometimes, many threads on this forum talks so much about guys ducking this one or another. Who has jermain taylor ducked, thats right no one, he is fighting the best and should be applauded for it.
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Joe Calzaghe:thumbsup

brooklyn1550 · Aug 23, 2007

Excellent post

BITCH ASS · Aug 23, 2007

lefthook31 said:

The bottom line with Taylor is hes a super talented YOUNG fighter. He was rushed far to fast into fights he had no business in at those points of his career. His natural ability carried him through those fights, and thats why he was competitive but not dominant. It takes time to develop a pro fighter, because there is so many different scoring styles compared to the amatuers. Taylor has not had enough time to see all those styles and adjust his game properly at the upper level, with his unqualified trainer Pat Burns. Emanuel Steward is obviously one of the better trainers for taking really good fighters to the next level if the potential is there. Taylors fundamentals are there, and Steward will tweak, and devise gameplans to make Taylor a more complete fighter. Pavliks style is in your face, so its going to be a better fight for Taylor compared to fighting three of the craftiest styles he faced in Wright, Hopkins, and Spinks.
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Why are you forgetting Ouma?

Everyone has a tendency to just omit Ouma as if it never happened.

The fact is that Ouma is a come foward, plodding, short fighter, who's defense is his offense, but doesn't have any power, yet Taylor failed to look dominant against him.

Pavlik is much bigger, has just as good or a higher workrate, is more accurate, has devestating power, and will take advantage of mistakes Taylor makes that Ouma couldn't.

BITCH ASS · Aug 23, 2007

Amsterdam said:

Fine with me, but if my prediction hits, I hope everyone doesn't act like they saw it coming if they were picking Taylor.:yep
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I'm surprised you're picking the "pasty cue ball" as you called him in this one.

He Hate Me · Aug 23, 2007

Taylor may well lose this fight and I believe he will be liked then by the establishment, if he loses he will do it going down fighting, thats the least we can ask for as boxing fans, a warrior willing to risk it all.

Unlimited · Aug 23, 2007

Damn Dis Dude Wrote To Much Someone Has A Summary Lol

pipe wrenched · Aug 23, 2007

marauder1999 said:

Murky. Not a choice word in describing a middleweight champions reign. But its the most accurate in describing Jermain Taylors tenure at 160 pounds since dethroning Bernard Hopkins via split decision. With four title defenses including a rematch win over Hopkins, a draw with Winky Wright and two wins over world-class 154-pounders, the once-dubbed Heir Apparents resume should speak for itself. But there is far too much gray area for that to be the case. Beyond his record on paper, Taylors fights tell the story of his murky reign.

When Taylor stepped in the ring with Hopkins for the first time, fans looked for answers. But they got neither after a decision that was debatable rather than decisive. The Arkansans bellowed that no one since Roy Jones back in 1993 had managed to keep Executioner from bullying his way in and that a rematch would be easier. The old school purists replied that Taylor was manhandled over the final four rounds, and that next time Hopkins would start fighting sooner to erase all doubt.

But Hopkins didnt start sooner, and Taylor won this time by unanimous decision. Taylor corrected some mistakes in the rematch, such as jabbing with more conviction and throwing the right with more accuracy. But it still was not a dominating victory. No one wanted to see the champ win for a second time by simply neutralizing Hopkins attack with his sheer physical threat enough to earn a slim points victory. At the end of 2005, the only thing apparent about the Heir Apparent was that we did not want to see him the ring again with Bernard Hopkins for the third time.

Halfway through 2006, Taylor gained more of the publics approval simply by agreeing to take on his third consecutive fight with a pound-for-pounder, than he did in his two wins over Hopkins combined. However, after the fight, Jermain Taylors moniker promptly changed from Bad Intentions to Bad Decisions, as many thought Winky Wright deserved the victory. For the third fight in a row, Taylor was out-landed and ********* yet still had a goose egg in the loss column.

His fans, again, found room for optimism: Taylor had done better than the likes of Sugar Shane Mosley and Felix Trinidad and he dropped some impressive bombs on Wright, who looked exhausted late on. But he ought to have done better than the natural welterweights, and skeptics added that most of the bombs hit arms and gloves. Which point of view held more merit?

We looked for definition in his two subsequent fights, the first of which was against Kassim Ouma. Here was a chance to shed light on his offensive abilities. In other words, if Taylor knocked out the smaller Ouma in style, wed all have a clearer picture. He would show himself the dominant force we thought he was. He was just held in check by two defensive masters. Surely?
Again, the adequate answer slid away. Eager for a knockout, Taylor sloppily wasted away his energy in the early rounds as he trudged clumsily to an ugly decision victory. He then explored the other extreme in his next fight by hardly throwing any punches at all. Taylor swung for the fences against a guy who could walk through a brick wall in Ouma, and then tried to cautiously out-box a pure boxer in Cory Spinks when clearly, a more aggressive offense was called for, last May.

In a sport so honest and naked, it is hard to hide truth. Yet the answers often elude us. Taylors path since becoming champ has revealed nothing but two opposing and equally valid viewpoints. Often, the middle ground between extreme opinions has the most accuracy. But in this case, would that mean that Jermain Taylor is only an average boxer whose physical gifts have allowed him to squeak by the tough competition?

A lot is expected from Jermain Taylor, now 27-0-1 (17 KOs). And when a lot is expected, little forgiveness is offered when expectations are not met. Take away those expectations, take away the Heir Apparent status he earned pre-Hopkins, and give Taylors resume to a boxer of Carlos Baldomirs ilk. Suddenly, the fighter is given a lot of credit for what he has achieved out of nowhere. But Taylor has had expectations heaped on him since he came out of the Olympics in 2000 and has been given every opportunity to shine.

In boxing, the cliché tells us a boxer is only as good as his last fight. In Taylors case, he currently finds himself in the publics eye only as good as his last five. Some truth needs to be revealed about Taylors past through the present, as he has already attempted to do against Ouma and Spinks, but failed. The present is his challenge against Kelly Pavlik (31-0, 28). Contrarily, Pavlik is as good as his last fight an aggressive knockout of Edison Miranda and because of it, many would pick the undefeated fighter from Youngstown, Ohio to beat Taylor.
So this may be the perfect time for Taylor to finally make a powerful statement: Pavlik will provide him a violent confrontation, not a tedious standoff. He is fighting a guy who will give him every opportunity to show his truth: what he is made of. Instant gratification is certainly not a given in boxing, but a champions status still undefined after four world-class challengers is certainly rare. September 29th will not only bring excitement in the ring, but also will finally reveal the truth about Jermain Taylor and clear his murky past.

Pavlik KO's his ass by the 6th.
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Fine post marauder. Although I think KP will KO JT in the 7th.:good

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