Seems boxing hasn't faired so well in the past...

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by James23, Mar 14, 2010.


  1. James23

    James23 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I have no idea why, but not once have I ever looked up "Mixed Martial Arts" on wikipedia. Not really for educational purporses but out of pure curiousity just to see what was said. So, I did it about 3 minutes ago. Some interesting stuff that I didn't know. Well, only the part about the World Heavyweight Champion boxers fighting wrestlers...

    While different forms of unorganized, no-rules, unarmed combat predate history, civilization, and the human species itself (apes have been observed engaging in hand-to-hand combats), the earliest documented, organized, minimal-rules fighting event was the ancient Greek [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration"]
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    [/ame], which was introduced into the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Games"]
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    [/ame] in 648 B.C.
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    Greek pankration later inspired the more violent [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruria"]
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    [/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome"]
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    [/ame] pancratium, an event showcased at the Roman [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colosseum"]
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    [/ame]. Even as late as the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Middle_Ages"]
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    [/ame], statues were put up in Rome and other cities to honour remarkable pankratiasts of Rome.
    No-holds-barred reportedly took place in the late 1880s when wrestlers representing a huge range of fighting styles, including various [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_wrestling"]
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    [/ame] styles,
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    and many others met in tournaments and music-hall challenge matches throughout [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe"]
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    [/ame]. In the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA"]
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    [/ame] the first major encounter between a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing"]
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    [/ame] and a wrestler in modern times took place in 1887 when
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    , then heavyweight world boxing champion, entered the ring with his trainer, Greco-Roman wrestling champion [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Muldoon"]
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    [/ame], and was slammed to the mat in two minutes. The next publicized encounter occurred in the late 1890s when future heavyweight boxing champion [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Fitzsimmons"]
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    [/ame] took on European Greco-Roman wrestling champion [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Roeber"]
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    [/ame]. Reportedly, Roeber suffered a fractured cheekbone in this bout, but was able to get Fitzsimmons down on the mat, where he applied an [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armlock"]
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    [/ame] and made the boxer
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    . In Europe, around the 19th century, the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy"]
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    [/ame] [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Raicevich"]
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    [/ame], skilled in Greco-Roman wrestling was defeated by Akitaro Ono, a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan"]
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    [/ame] heavyweight fighter skilled in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu"]
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    [/ame], [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo"]
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    [/ame], and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumo"]
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    [/ame], throwing him on the mat by one-arm shoulder throw. In 1936, heavyweight boxing contender [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingfish_Levinsky"]
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    [/ame] and veteran professional wrestler
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    competed in a mixed match, which Steele won in 35 seconds.
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    Another early example of mixed martial arts combat was the martial art of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartitsu"]
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    [/ame], founded in London in 1899, which was the first martial art known to have combined Asian and European fighting styles,
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    and which saw MMA-style contests throughout England, pitting European and Japanese champions against representatives of various European wrestling styles.
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    Mixed style contests such as [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing"]
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    [/ame] vs. [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jujutsu"]
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    [/ame] were popular entertainment throughout Europe, Japan and the Pacific Rim during the early 1900s.
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    In Japan these contests were known as merikan, from the Japanese slang for "American [fighting]". Merikan contests were fought under a variety of rules including points decision, best of three throws or knockdowns, and victory via knockout or submission.
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    After the popularity of professional wrestling waned after [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I"]
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    [/ame] it split into two genres: "
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    ", in which the fighters actually competed, and "
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    ," which evolved into modern [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling"]
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    [/ame].
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    In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts was popularized in America by [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee"]
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    [/ame] via his system and philosophy of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeet_Kune_Do"]
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    [/ame]. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style."[[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attribution"]
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    [/ame]
    ] In 2004 UFC President [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_White"]
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    [/ame] would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts."
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    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts[/ame]

    Guess James Toney is also working against history...should be interesting!





    (And no, for the apologists who will come in to defend boxing, I'm not saying it's ineffective. In fact, I think it's one of the more effective disciplines, but it effectiveness is limited to x situations.)