Sell me on Sammy Angott

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He just doesn't seem ATG/Hall of Fame material to me, on film or looking at his record.

    Mostly (and there are a few exceptions), he lost to the top class of guys and built his record and reputation on a lot of wins over lesser lights.

    Tough, lord yes. Great chin, no doubt. The string of losses toward the end, no big deal -- happens to the best of them -- but while he had a good long run where he beat a few really good fighters and lost to a lot of really great fighters, he also had some lean times earlier on where he lost to a lot of pedestrian opponents.

    On the whole, I see him more of a gatekepper, the Greg Haugen of his day (flame away).

    Show me what I'm misisng.
     
  2. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I might be a bit bias towards Angott for I'm a fan of his. Although, I do agree, he doesn't look particularly great on film. But his resume is pretty great IMO. He was damn near the top of a good lightweight division for almost 6 years. And although Pep was a natural featherweight at the time -- Angott was the ONLY man to defeat Pep before his plane crash.

    Resume highlights
    - Willie Pep
    - Freddie Miller
    - Baby Arizmendi
    - Lew Jenkins
    - Ike Williams
    - Johnny Bratton
    - Petey Sarron
    - Bob Montgomery (3x)
    - Drew with Beau Jack
    - Wesley Ramey (2x)
    - Davey Day (2x)
    - Took a 143lb Fritzie Zivic the distance
    - Allie Stolz
    - Didn't get completely blown out against Henry Armstrong
    - Slugger White
    - Bobby Ruffin
    - Juan Zurita
    - Jackie Wilson
    - Leo Rodak
    - Everett Rightmire
    - Milt Aron
    - Aldo Spoldi
    - Kid Azteca
    - Dave Castilloux

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  3. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Add Jackie Wilson, Leo Rodak, Everett Rightmire, Milt Aron and Aldo Spoldi to that resume. All excellent fighters.

    Sammy is definitely an easy sell.
     
  4. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't know how I missed Jackie Wilson. The others were I just wasn't familiar with. :oops:
     
  5. Surf-Bat

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  6. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't know how I forgot Kid Azteca!
     
  7. Surf-Bat

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    You were just in a rush :smoke
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Help me out here -- how many fighters listed so far (among the fighters Angott defeated) were world champions or fought for the world title at some point in their careers?
     
  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    His accomplishment of beating Pep tells me he was special, in a negative, Jimmy Youngish sort of way. I think that in the balance he was more significant than Haugen though.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    Angott doesn't need any selling. He's a clear atg in the division. It's just further testament to how deep the divisions history is.
     
  12. Surf-Bat

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    Champions and titlists:

    - Willie Pep
    - Freddie Miller
    - Lew Jenkins
    - Ike Williams
    - Johnny Bratton
    - Petey Sarron
    - Bob Montgomery (3x)
    - Slugger White
    - Jackie Wilson
    - Leo Rodak

    As far as which guys he beat who at one time or another fought for the world title, hey, we're not gonna do ALL of your homework for you. Lookitup! ;)
     
  13. scribbs

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    A couple of articles about Angott for anyone who's not read them

    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/weblog/news.php?p=11540&more=1

    http://voices.yahoo.com/sammy-angott-battling-lightweight-champion-7411520.html

    A Obituary

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vxxeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=o18NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2601%2C4032161

    Angott also in a number of HOF's including IBHOF, Philly, NIAISHF & Pittsburgh's Dapper Dan HOF.

    The Nickname Clutch certainly gives an indication of the type of fighter he was but as list above shows, the opponents he fought & beat certainly portray a fighter who is worthy of being recognised by boxing history.
     
  14. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First man to beat Willie Pep.That, in itself, stands out for me.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Angott may not have been the most dynamic, exciting performer in his time, but he gets my total respect for that accomplishment alone. He was a tough, cagey, negative sort of fighter who you could pretty much classify as a spoiler, but what a spoiler he was!!