SEMIFINALS: The All-time Heavyweight H2H Tourney: VITALI vs. ALI

Both Klitschkos are extremely overrated since they have annually been placed among the top 10 p4p for the past few years in several p4p lists. To claim that they are underrated is fallacious and a terrible farce. Simply copy pasting statistics such as the Klitschkos W-L record or KO ratios and numerically comparing them to other great heavyweights simply demonstrates an inability to use logical thinking and an inability to put these misleading statistics into context. After the Holyfield Bowe Tyson Lewis era was finished, the post early 2000s heavyweight division became the weakest division in the history of any weight class of any era since perhaps the beginning of boxing as a sport.

All of the wins in both Klitschkos resumes come against fighters years and years beyond their prime, with padded records, with no name fighters who should not be in a boxing ring to begin with, or some combination of these flaws.

The biggest and most impressive win on both Klitschko's resume is Samuel Peter - who still managed to knock down the bum Wladimir 3 times in one fight. Samuel Peter as your best win does not make you an all time great or a top 10 p4p fighter for several years. In a weak era where Samuel Peter was the best fighter you beat (and one that Wladimir struggled with), it doesn't matter how many title defenses, knockouts, wins, etc. you have. You are not among the elite.

Lennox Lewis - even at 38 years old, fat, in the worst shape of his career, was barely losing on the scorecard 58-56 to Vitali - which could easily have been scored a draw at that point (yet so many idiotic fans try to use this slim edge as validation that Klitschko "won" the fight) and still managed to take complete control of the fight heading into the 6th round and smashed Vitali's face so badly that a medical professional could not allow Vitali to get further annihilated and, in hindsight, Lennox exposed Vitali as a fraudulent champion fighting in a weak era like Rocky Marciano.

Vitali was not dominating the fight. He had a decent start and as the fight went on he was eating uppercuts left and right and continued to clinch excessively. Lennox Lewis (remember - a 38 year old, fat, out of shape Lennox Lewis) still gave him fits and forced a doctor to stop the fight because Vitali was taking such a beating. Ironically people consider this humiliating face bashing to be Vitali's shining moment - that shows how overrated of a boxer you are when getting your faced smashed while having the slimmest of leads on the scorecard is your crowning achievement.

What I have written is UNDISPUTED truth and FACTUAL. This is not opinion or conjecture. I challenge any human being on earth to try and dispute the infallible assertion that, in general, the Klitshkos are extremely overrated by the media and public.

The following arguments do not disprove what has been written above and if one uses these fallacious arguments it will only prove one's own incompetence - much like Wladimir proved his incompetence as a boxer in getting demolished by Brewster (and falsely making up a poison excuse, no less.) Sanders and Puritty, and how Vitali demonstrated his incompetence as a boxer in having a relatively terrible performance against a trash version of Lennox Lewis.

1) Vitali is 45-2 with losses coming by injury stoppages and a 87% KO ratio. Wladimir is 59-3 with 51 KOs. Few boxers can match these numbers.
And who was the best opponent these boxers beat? Samuel Peter. Padded records mean nothing. Brian Nielsen was 49-0 at one point. Eric Esch was 61-1-3 at one point. Copy pasting statistics does not prove anything when you fail to put them in context. I highly doubt anyone is foolish enough to put Eric Esch above Evander Holyfield despite the fact that Esch has a higher winning percentage. If Holyfield fought both Klitschko's level of competition he would walk through them without a scratch.

2) Lennox Lewis was afraid of Vitali and ducked a rematch.
First of all - Lennox Lewis made Riddick Bowe duck HIM, he fought Holyfield twice, was willing to fight Tyson for several years and finally did, fought Mccall and Rahman even after being KOd, and Tommy Morrison, but some people are foolish enough to think he is scared of fighting KLITSCHKO of all people???
Secondly as mentioned several times - Lennox was 38, fat, in the worst shape ever, past his prime, and still made Vitali's face look like the deer my friend killed and put through the grinder a few weeks ago.
Thirdly - Why should a man in the physical twilight of his career (Lennox) risk his health for one more fight when he didn't take the fight seriously in the first place (still winning by TKO) and already proved his place among the all time greats? Vitali should be on his knees kissing Lennox's feet for even giving a bum like Klitschko the opportunity to fight an all time great like Lennox. Lennox isn't in the position of Joe Louis who had to come back and fight because of IRS problems, so he has no reason to risk his health after already risking it for over a decade against fighters lightyears beyond Klitschko.

3) the Klitschkos are foreign so they do not get respect.
really? Marquez, Pacquiao, Chavez sr, Duran, Monzon, Sergio Martinez, Genady Golovkin, Adonis Stevenson, Maidana, Rigondeux, Donaire do not get respect?
anyone who said this - shut up. No need to pull the race/nationality card

4) The Klitschkos have X amount of title defenses
Again, copy pasting statistics does not prove anything. Look at the men that the REAL heavyweights had to fight compared to the bum Klitschkos.
Bowe, Lennox, Moorer, Tua, Tyson, Evander, Morrison, Spinks, Foreman, Patterson, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Now lets compare the Klitschkos wins - Peter, old washed up Mercer, old washed up Rahman, Chris Byrd, Orlin Norris (who lost to a washed up Tyson), Purrity, Sanders, 38 year old fat Lennox, Chisora, Haye, Povetkin, Eddie Chambers. the hilarious thing is that they actually lost to some of these fighters on the list.

HUGE difference in competition.

Anyone who legitimately believes the farce that either Klitschko is an all time great heavyweight (let alone an ATG p4p fighter) is simply one of the many sheep that blindly follow the herd without thinking for themselves. I have blessed such blind sheep with my wisdom and knowledge and opened their eyes to the truth. It is time for these blind sheep to acknowledge the truth, otherwise I fear that these sheep blindly stumbling through the dark for so long will deny the truth even more vehemently now that these blind sheep have been exposed to the light of truth.

You do have to give the Klitschkos credit for dominating the division, even though it is incredibly weak. That in itself deserves SOME merit. You should not, however, put them among the all time greats after Vitali has been exposed by Lennox Lewis and Wladimir got showed up by Purrity Brewster and Sanders, and struggled against Sam Peter.

I challenge any human being to try and refute my indisputable factual statements at the risk of making themselves look as incompetent as the Klitschkos in their attempts to be ranked among all time great heavyweights. Unfortunately for delusional Klitschko fans, the only people who possess wisdom and knowledge superior to myself would never try and refute these facts in the first place.

 

Disappoint Foreman lost, but happy Larry won! That was a come from behind if I ever saw one

 

The tougher fighter Klit bro, with less power and skill vs Ali. Obviously this goes the distance, barring a serious cut, but I don't see Vitali outboxing Ali.

It's that effing size advantage that leaves me unsure

 

wonder if ali wins the hole think this not real hope u no sad life u live

 

He landed 8 more punches than Byrd when the fought. Ali is a bigger, faster, stronger and harder punching fighter than Byrd ever was. I think Ali wins and does so easily. Vits is a tough guy but this match up simply doesn't suit his strengths.

 

Hhaha! Ok there bitter basement boy :good Enjoy the next title defense. How many did Holmes have? :think Getttin closer :smoke

Anyway Vitali would have a combination of size, strength, skill, and toughness that Ali never faced. No mummy Foreman (When Ali fought him that's what he fought like) wasn't Vitali. He hit harder but at that time, lacked the skill, smarts, and range Vitali had. Foreman also wasn't a solid 250lb fighter. Vitali is very awkward and finds a way to land on anybody he faces. It would be competitive but Vitali has stood up to MUCH bigger punchers and outboxed everybody he's faced. Vitali UD

 

They said the same **** about Sonny Liston too, he was a monster, he was invincible, he had this massive reach advantage etc etc etc and look what happened?

Liston quit. Something Vitali isnt new to.

Ali is simply too good for Vitali and i wouldnt be surprised if Vitali quits or pulls out some injury excuse BS when he realises hes been hitting thin air for most of the fight.

 

LOL!

Vitali couldn't even beat Liston or prime Foreman. How the hell is the robot supposed to best Ali.
I think there are far too many designer drugs available in Russia.

 

Muhammad Ali is THE measuring stick for heavyweight greatness, not Vitali and not Wladmir and that aint changing anytime soon.

Whenever any heavyweight laces them up, they all want to be the next Ali (or Tyson in some cases)

Wake me up when someone says they want to be the next Wladmir or Vitali.

 

Ali was knocked down and almost out by a light heavyweight nobody.

Don't neglect that in your analysis.

Too much myth and hype around guys like Ali/Tyson.

 

Exactly. Ali was beaten by Norton a couple of times. Watch the fights. That's just one example. Yet Ali is supposed to "Ohh Ali EASY TKO over Vitali." "Ohhh Ali EASILY outboxes Vitali Klitschko!" Right:roll:

6'7" 250lb boxer puncher who hardly EVER loses a round with an iron chin, gets just RAN THROUGH AND OVER by f***king Ali. Get the f**k outta here with that s**t. Lol! Deep down the haters know

 

"It would be competitive but Vitali has stood up to MUCH bigger punchers and outboxed everybody he's faced. Vitali UD"

"6'7" 250lb boxer puncher who hardly EVER loses a round with an iron chin, gets just RAN THROUGH AND OVER by f***king Ali. Get the f**k outta here with that s**t. Lol! Deep down the haters know"

Well, now, Vitali is not outboxing Ali regardless of who he has faced. That should be a given. Also, Ali never needed devastating power to win fights so the fact Vitali is not facing that in this match is an irrelevance.

No-one would suggest (unless trolling) that someone 'runs through' Vitali, he's a tough man no doubt and wouldn't be in the final 4 without all round skills.

I can see Ali having his way with Vitali though, in a street match perhaps Vits would smash him up but within the Queensbury rules, Ali is quicker, more tactically aware and essentially the superior at all stages of all three fights. Vitali, like most others who faced Ali/Clay must rely on his 'punchers chance' which is not going to win him a best-of-three IMO.

NB. Whenever doing 'greatest ever' polls, the darlings of the day enjoy MASSIVE favouritism in general. Channel 4 did a greatest musicians ever public poll in the early 2000's and got Robbie Williams and Ronan Keeting in the top 20 with no sign of James Brown or Bob Marley........I do think there's just a touch of that here when assessing the current crop of HW boxers.

 

and vitali lost to the best fighters he fought

if anyones a myth its Vitali. How did Vitali do against Norton? Ali constantly upset the odds whereas Vitali made a successful career of beating bums

 

How would Vitali have done against Norton? Lol Vitali would have knocked him the **** out.