SEMIFINALS: The All-time Heavyweight H2H Tourney: VITALI vs. ALI

Frazier was a cruiserweight. Smaller than Adamek. Vitali would mop the floor with Frazier.

 

so Butterbean would mop the floor with Vitali?

idiot weight theory.

 

Yep, that's why both Klit bros avoided Valuev, he's taller and heavier and would therefore win.

 

And Chris Byrd was a bulked up natural middleweight, yet he took everything Vitali had to offer and made him quit on his tool.

 

Dempsey would gt beat by giant champ Willard.
Louis would get beatby giant Carnera.
Ali would get beaty giant champ Terrell.
but no they weren't.

 

Ali in his prime......is the best fighting machine the Earth has ever produced.

 

its all a bit crazy because both Klits would probably marginalise Valuev (although Wla is always touch and go against any prime with some skill becaue of his crap chin).

 

Vitali is a great fighter but, he did fight mostly rubbish. that's a fair and accurate judgement to make of his career.

the Americans mostly however, call him a robotic nobody that gets destroyed by the vast overrated Heavyweights that barely have anything of substance when looking at their careers overall that America has produced through-out history.

there's a big difference between the two opinions don't you think?

so America gives credit to a few non American fighters. big deal!

how about the many that got shitted on during and after their careers??

Lennox Lewis
Kostya Tszyu
Joe Calzaghe
Sven Ottke
Prince Naseem Hamed
Ricky Hatton
David Haye
Dariusz Michalczewski (had to google correct spelling )

Carl Froch (he gets a lot of credit now, but he didn't not so long ago, even though he proved himself. he had to do 20 times what an American fighter would before ho got his just deserts. but there are a lot who still slag him)

Gennady Golovkin
Sergey Kovalev

and many, many more.

if you can't see that the Yanks give praise so easily to their unproven fighters but slag off more proven non American fighters with constant calls of "hype job" then you are seriously blind.

go and check all the forums to see the pattern. it happens with all of them, not just this forum.

 

:huh so, you think these are good answers to what i said?? they're not even bloody answers.

you've basically just said " that's not true" " go and watch him and see for yourself" " he did have skill"

most people call Ali the most skilled Heavy in history. they see him floating around with ease against fighters with actual more skill than himself, and beating them down by moving in and out without much effort even though they have long reaches and great control of distance.
i mean, have you even looked at what people are writing about Ali in this Tournament??? clearly, you have not.

Ali didn't have ring smarts and a high IQ at all. unless of course, it was against a finished fighter or someone who had the slowest feet in history.
point out which fights where Ali fought genuine world class fighters and proved to be all that???? :think

point out which fight with Frazier, and what rounds, where he blocked the left hook with success??? and no, grabbing hold of him and pulling his head down in the second fight does not prove he had the skill to block a simple left hook. that's cheating and flagrant rule breaking.

Frazier used more than his left hook?? be specific about what fights, and what rounds, where he used more than just his left hook. i don't remember those fights. and i have most of his career in my collection.

so Ali didn't get a severe beating in the 1st and 3rd fight with Frazier?? sure he didn't. his face wasn't swollen to twice it's size in the first. and he wasn't as close to death as you can get in the 3rd. right. :good

you call me DOINK without knowing the meaning of Irony. you should look it up.

you're still to give me proper answers to the facts i posted earlier on in the Thread. :good

 

take a day off from being stupid if you like. you don't have to be a plum full time. atsch

i shortened the sentence you wrote. next time i'll write it in full due to you not being all there in the head.
the point i was making was that your pathetic answer wasn't even an answer. it didn't refute anything i said. it was pointless.

would you accept me saying that when you're on your next mission to slag Calzaghe off... "well, if it's that easy, why don't you try it yourself"

try harder.

erm, no. most say that was the prime Ali. try reading the forums next time instead of posting without thinking.

in fact, type Ali into the search box and do a bit of research. maybe afterwards you won't be as dim as you are now. with a bit of hope.

 

ha the sentence I wrote quoted YOU!


" block a simple left hook against Frazier" - direct assassin quote.

drums fingers whilst assassin continues despite the evidence proving him wrng....

no they don't, you do. now justify why ali barely out of high school is prime. its your job to justify your crap argument. no one else will. DO IT NOW.

 

assasin,

A terrible post from start to finish.

Yet again, you've shown zero perspective.

Do you know what the word PRIME means??

Also, have you heard of the old adage - styles make fights??


Ali's prime was 66-67 when he was around 25 years old, just before his ban. He had great wins after, but that was his peak.

He fought Frazier after the ban. He'd clearly lost a step after the lay off, but Frazier was a great pressure fighter and he was a stylistic problem for Ali.

When Ali got dropped by Cooper, he was a young, brash Clay, who'd underestimated him.

Doug Jones was a good fighter, and was a very fast former LHW.

Vitali fights nothing like Frazier or Doug Jones. This is where you really let yourself down. Vitali may have crushed Frazier and Jones, who knows? But that doesn't mean that he'd have had the same success against Ali, as what they had.

We saw what happened with Frazier and Foreman for example.

So you're reaching talking about when Clay was young, and when Ali was past his best.

Why the hell are you talking about Norton and Spinks??

They have nothing to do with this debate. Nothing.

Again, we're discussing a fantasy fight between a 25 year old Muhammad Ali, not when he was a kid, or when he was fighting way past his best.

A HUGE guy like Vitali?


Ali was 6'3, with a 78' reach.

Vitali is 6'7, with a 79' reach.

Hardly a huge difference.


Then factor in Ali's footwork, hand speed, reflexes and timing etc.

Vitali would have had huge trouble with Ali's movement.

Tell us why then?

Because all you've done, is trash Ali's opponents.

You haven't given us any kind of a breakdown to support your theory.

Tell us all how he could have coped with the movement of a 25 year old version of Ali?

Once again, Ali was a complete different fighter after his legs had gone. He had incredible speed in his 20's, but by the time he was in his 30's, he'd aged very fast. He used to take huge punishment in training, to prepare himself for his 70's fights. If you watch him in the 60's and 70's, they're two completely different fighters.

Delusions??

Oh the IRONY!

A miss-match, but you can't tell us why, apart from that Ali had trouble with fast fighters when he was young, and that he struggled with guys when he shouldn't have been fighting.

Brilliant!

Tell us why Vitali HIMSELF would have won.


Again, I want a breakdown of how Vitali would have overcome Ali's superior speed advantages.

:good

 

This should be Louis vs Ali. Not that bum Vitali.

 

Lewis would have destroyed Ali in a mismatch?

Based on what?

 

No doubt! These Klits are Bums of the 1st order.
Admitted Steroided Super Bums. :yep