Send in a featherweight to beat Salvador Sanchez

That's not "toughness" though, that's chin. He has a very good chin. But being "tough" is about being mentally and physically tough enough to repel psychological pressure and physical tests over the stretch.

If you meant Sanchez had a better chin than Pep, I think that's maybe something I could agree with, not that it could have been a difference that mattered that much given how rarely he was actually sparked, think once off the top of my head, but in terms of who was the tougher man, Sanchez didn't prove that to me, absolutely no way.

Well we've been over that - I didn't dispute it, I agreed with it. What I said was that despite the fact, it was Saddler who can be seen landing the hurtful punches, the punches that mattered (Given that Saddler was basically unaffected and Pep was stopped). These were long punches to the body which you described as "moving to mid range" or something like that, whereby I pointed out that you could call it what you like, but it is Saddler, landing punches from distance, on a defensive genius.

And that's the summary of that conversation; if you don't dispute that Saddler lands those punches, and don't dispute that they are hurtful, knowing that I agree that Pep landed good punches as Saddler menaced him, we are in agreement.

You can't really believe that?

"Body punches. I could see in his eyes that something was wrong."

Saddler said that about this fight - when you watch this fight knowing that Saddler said this, you can't possibly tell me that the body punches that look the most awful to take were the ones on the inside? The hurtful body punches were thrown from the outside, even where Saddler controls Pep at range then casts him out to range to land the body shot.

Saddler lashed Pep at range.

"He" as in Pep? Or "He" as in Saddler? If it's Pep, just no, if it's Saddler, this sounds like a linguistic side-step to me? Why does it matter if he was "moving in" if he was landing at range, a punch thrown from behind him, started when Pep was not in range of his punches? If you are calling his ranged shots "moving in"shots, I don't mind, call them what you like, but if you're somehow using this definition to imply that he's not scoring while outfighting, that's something I don't understand. Look:

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This is the distance at which Saddler begins to throw the punch. He is outside. He is at distance. Pep is not even at range for the jab. Pep cannot hit Saddler. Saddler is using his range to land a punch at which distance Pep cannot land a punch without coming closer. The definition of outfighting. Of course Saddler follows the punch in, fighting on the inside is good for him, of course if Pep doesn't move that becomes "mid-range", or "inside" but both things are very very good for Saddler - so why does it matter, even if it's true, which it isn't because Pep often moved away behind these punches?

what?

It's an excellent comparison, and I didn't say that Ford fought like Saddler. I said:

"He did it with a counter right-hand to the body (Saddler's is better), harassed him with a virtual jab (Saddler's use of reach was better), improvised long uppercuts (Saddler's improvised punching was better), and basically by sneaking very hard body punches from distance."

Which is all absolutely correct.