Send in an ATG to beat Prime Liston (mid to late 50's version)

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You literally just said this... And I've provided both film and quotes from historians to support my claim
     
  2. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    '59 '60 Liston beats a '55 '56 Liston and that's about it …. Yes Ali with Holmes, Louis in the mix
     
  3. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Handing SHW supremacists Ls Full Member

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    I never would've suspected that Sonny Liston was overrated until reading this comment section
     
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  4. Golden_Feather99

    Golden_Feather99 Active Member Full Member

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    Ali
    Holmes
    Tyson
    Bowe
    Vitali (Wlad as well if they fought in Wlad's era, Wlad would just hold Liston for 12 rounds)

    If I had to pick one, it'd be Ali. Liston was old when they fought in '64 but Ali was only 22. He was better and more mature when he fought Terrell. I'd pick that version of Ali.
     
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  5. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1) Muhammad Ali
    2) Joe Louis
    3) Larry Holmes
    4) Mike Tyson

    50/50 Riddick Bowe
     
  6. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    over my head … elaborate if you would be so kind
     
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  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster Handing SHW supremacists Ls Full Member

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    People are saying they'd favor noone over Liston even though he was dismantled by Ali, went life and death with Machen and lost to Marty Marshall

    Don't get me wrong there are explanations to those losses but jeez they act like he's a demigod. Liston was very human and would reasonably lose to Ali, Foreman, Louis, Holmes, etc
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He didn't go life and death with Machen. He only lost the odd round or so :lol: He lost to Marshall in his 7th pro fight when he had his jaw broken in the 2nd round and still fought valiantly to a split decision that could've gone either way.
     
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  9. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough, but you always hear about the Ali fights to diminish him... I mean when you start picking apart a fighter at 35, especially against the best HW of all time coming into his prime years, it is a joke. he was 11 years older than Ali. Why don't you hear about the short work he made of Williams twice and Patterson twice.. what other HW could do that?
     
  10. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Listons career he gave away by giving up the worlds hwt championship sitting on his stool. If he would have gone out on his shield instead of quitting history would have been more kind to him.
     
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    A lot of boxing historians LOVE Sonny Liston. I do too. And I do rate him Top 5 H2H. I personally think Louis-Liston is the best heavyweight fantasy fight ever made in terms of ability, power and fundamentals.

    So these are the guys 50/50 or better:

    Louis
    Ali
    Frazier
    Holmes
    Tyson
    Bowe
    Witherspoon
    Lewis
    Vitali
     
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  12. Greb & Papke 707

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    I think Holyfield would wreck any version of Liston, Holyfield is not afraid of anything or anyone, he’d fight Wilder tomorrow, most people were scared to death of Liston so they lost the fight before it started, Holyfield schools Liston imo, and unlike a guy like Marciano ( I love the rock btw) who had that same mentality, Rocky lacked the physical tools and skills to beat Sonny, where as Holyfield had all of those
     
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  13. Rainer

    Rainer Active Member Full Member

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    Most learned boxing writers recognize Liston was a great fighter and a very difficult H2H opponent for anyone. Most have him in the top 10 of all time.It's just self appointed ding bats like you that evaluate him differently. His pre title record shows what a tough proposition he was. His past- prime losses to the greatest heavyweight of all time cannot take that away from him.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    Maybe you should watch some fights unless life and death doesn't remotely mean what the rest of the world thinks it does.
     
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  15. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As a champion...he is known as a QUITTER!!! As I said...it's easy to pick & choose a specific period to make your case...BUT you can't erase what happened in Miami in 1964...and in Maine in 1965...
     
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