Send In The Great White Hope..?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Nov 5, 2021.


  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    To defeat the great Jack Johnson, of the Jeffries fight.
    Plucked from various points of history to try and beat JJ, who would you say stands the most chance?

    Jack Dempsey
    Jack Sharkey
    Billy Conn
    Jerry Quarry
    Gerrie Coetzee
    Frans Botha

    All fights are 1910 rules, gloves and set at 15.
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dempsey, Quarry, Coetzee and Botha.

    Johnson's constant holding wouldn't have been very effective against them.
     
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  3. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Dempsey has the best chance, but I wouldn't favour any of them
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Ew - why are we doing this still in 2021? :eyebrow2:

    As just an innocent thought experiment without the baggage of certain bygone social attitudes meant to be attached to it, okay...I kind of get it, but... we could also just not. :lol: We're not that bereft of new ideas of ways in which to discuss classic boxing, surely.
     
  5. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can I pick someone else if the aim is to actually beat Johnson? Fury. See how much Johnson likes 280lbs laying on him every time he holds.
     
  6. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I wouldn't pick any of those to beat the 1910 Johnson.
     
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  7. red corner

    red corner Active Member banned Full Member

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    Dempsey for sure, he's much better / faster / better puncher than anyone Johnson beat. Quarry could do it, and would qualify as the best Johnson fought. Conn would be interesting, Johnson would have to press him, he's too swift.
     
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  8. JabbaTheGut

    JabbaTheGut Active Member Full Member

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    Dempsey, Sharkey and Conn
     
  9. red corner

    red corner Active Member banned Full Member

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    None of the above were white hopes. Well Botha fits.
     
  10. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I've tended to be at odds with high ratings of Johnson and Dempsey over the years, and I think they rate almost equal as heavyweight greats in the 10-14 spot somewhere. But I also think they would've made unbelievably fantastic rivals in style and personality if they'd been placed in another era together where a fight would be...more likely. I can see it being down to the wire pyrrhic victory kind of stuff. Frazier/Ali like. I don't really get the thread motivation. I mean, like IB, in a way I get it but in another way, I don't. Post Marciano is one thing but post Klitschko, Klitschko, Fury and Usyk, I really don't get it. Incidentally, I just found out something crazy about Louis...
     
  11. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't see any harm here,sometimes it seems people get intimidated that they may be being un pc .Its like some kind of guilt ridden hysteria affects them.Fergy posted this with the best of intentions and I'm sure that's how we will all respond.
     
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  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Honestly I’d like to see how a PRIME Jeffries would have done
     
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  13. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Actually a Johnson-Usyk matchup would be more compelling than the guys you mentioned. He is much bigger than
    JJ, and a southpaw, and an excellent boxer. I think he'd quite easily beat JJ whereas Botha, Conn have no chance, Quarry
    is debatable, and surely Dempsey would be a favorite.
     
  14. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Me too!
     
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  15. JabbaTheGut

    JabbaTheGut Active Member Full Member

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    I was answering ops question, i didn't decide the list.