Send in your ATG to outbox and/or beat Ezzard Charles at LHW

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No Charles was not always a natural heavyweight! what are you smoking?

    But until he grew over 180lb, Charles was always the best lightheavyweight in the heavyweight division.

    Charles was too good for lightheavyweight.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's no such thing as too good for a division - you simply build a legend. Charles was that good he did without even getting a chance to win the title. His record at 175 is already brilliant and many rate him dog dog. Imagine what he could have done if he wanted to build his career there.

    Of course he was a very good heavyweight in the end too, aided a bit by an era where heavyweights weighed closer to light heavy that subsequent era's did.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    He couldn’t have built his whole career there!

    That’s the whole point of what I am saying. in those days charles couldn’t have built a career there because there was no real money in America for the lightheavyweight championship until much later.

    All the best lightheavyweights of that era fought as heavyweight half the time. Bivins, Maxim, Johnson, Moore, Pastrano (Patterson even) proving they were literally “lighter-heavyweights” rather than actual lightheavyweights who only fought other lightheavyweights.

    Why on earth do you think Moore fight so many heavyweights between defending his title? Lesnavich And Mills too?

    That’s why I think for many years the lightheavyweight championship was merely a token crown “within” the heavyweight division for the lighter-heavyweights among them.

    Lightheavyweight was almost a phoney division if the champions were always beating heavyweights
     
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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's what I think. While some of the names mentioned here could possibly beat him, I wouldn't favor them to do it.

    Spinks
    Conn
    Tunney
    Foster
    Greb

    Saad Muhammed couldn't beat him ,but what a war it would be!
     
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why does it have to be an agenda??
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thank God....I thought you were going to send in Marvin Johnson and Franklin...not Ben but Matthew!
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you'd followed comments over the years you'd know.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course he could have, he just would have been poorer.

    Your overall point is sound tho - heavyweights at that exact time could be well and truly competed with by the better light heavyweights. With Charles we actually had a light heavyweight ruling them for a decent period of time.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Exactly, something similar could have been said about Floyd Patterson as HW champion.

    Bottom line, charles, like Patterson, was good enough to beat heavyweights and win that championship.

    probably because lightheavyweights in general were still a type of heavyweight themselves at that time rather than its own division.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes in a weak era. Still what i would call an extremely good heavyweight tho and i'd even accept someone calling him a great heavyweight given what he accomplished there regardless of the era. He chalked up some defenses there, more than many realize.
     
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  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Yes, I often wonder how much better his career might have been if he fought less often?. Ezz could have been champ longer, he would have dropped less close decisions. But the Charles management were absolutely brutal giving him a schedule like that. He might have been an even better fighter without such a workload.

    Although students of history really appreciate Charles now, maybe he didn’t sell that well? They had him fight twice as much just to make enough money out of him? Ezzard fought a lot.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Perhaps, many were on hard schedules tho.

    I would agree Ezzard may have been underappreciated in his day, for sure. You look at some of the greats Futch used to champion yet curiously I've never come across anything he said about Charles. Given his record it's strange how so many didn't seem to notice what they had in him, probably more so than others that have followed a similar underappreciated path. It would be interesting to dig deeper.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft The Cincinnati Cobra Full Member

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    It's not that weak an era, Marciano, (shot) Louis, Walcott, Ray and Layne. They just were smaller so they don't do to well h2h
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    Marciano beat Charles so i'm not overly including him. He did reign over near the same era. Walcott's a fine fighter but overall the era was weak. You even state yourself Louis was shot.
     
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