###September 30th / October 1st Look-Ahead###

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  1. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Part 4.

    Andy Lee Vs Brian Vera II

    Middleweight

    Tale Of The Tape
    Record: 26(19)-1 / 19(12)-5
    Height 6''2 / 5'11
    Reach: ? / 73''
    Age: 27 / 29


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    A rematch of what was considered to be one of the shocks of 2008, Lee looks to take a massive weight off of his shoulders and ''put right'' what is the only blemish on his record, suffered at the hands of the tough Texan. What are considered to be Lee's biggest frailties came to prominence first time around, controlling with consumate ease early on, but losing concentration and becoming too stationary a target as the bout wore on, being hurt and controversially stopped by a swarming Vera in the seventh, despite landing a big left hand upon the referee's termination of the fight after shipping a series of winging power shots.

    It may have been the proverbial blessing in disguise for Lee, the kind of fight that benefits many a prospect. Much fanfare surrounded Lee then and still surrounds him now, but the level of expectation has decrease with his abundantly obvious flaws showing up time and time again. Under the tutelage of Kronk legend Emanuel Steward, guidance certainly isn't the Limerick mans problem, beating decent opposition under the circumstances pre and post Vera. His next to last fight, a final round stoppage of Scot Craig McEwan is probably his best to date, a fight where Lee, as is his trademark, started well before giving his lead away, the judges scorecards being razor thin before he pulled out the TKO.

    Don't be fooled by the fact Vera has gone 3-4 in his outings following his heroic showing against Lee, he's still a tough challenge for any aspiring fighter at both 160lbs, 154lbs and even super middle at a push. A solid gatekeeeper, he's beaten Sergio Mora and Sebastian Demers, while giving a good account of himself in defeats to McEwan, Isaac Rodrigues and Max Bursak(making things exciting, but ultimitely being dominated by James Kirkland and stopped in the other defeat). A former ''Contender'', he's full of uneducated and raw aggression, while being hard to dissuade at the same time. If you can't get rid of him early doors(a feat only acheived by Jaidon Codrington in the aforementioned TV series) you're guaranteed at least an less than comfortable evening.

    The key for Lee is to keep focused for the duration, because being unable to is something that has plagued him for quite some time. It's what handed him his first loss at the hands of the American, it's what almost cost him another fight, against McEwan, and it's what saw him get pelted around the ring for the final two rounds in a fight he was controlling against Affif Belghecham. He knows what he needs to do against Vera, utilise his considerable advantages in height and reach and dominate from range. He has the power to hurt Vera, but it's imperative that he uses that power wisely, going to the body and only letting his biggest and best go to the head when needed. He has not yet shown a modicum of upper body movement, often standing static, and not being able to hold on when buzzed, the one thing Vera will be looking to exploit. It's a fight where Andy should be able to exorcise his demons, but has it even been that simple with him?

    Roman Gonzalez Vs Omar Soto

    Light Flyweight

    Tale Of The Tape
    Record: 29(24)-0 / 22(15)-7-2
    Height: 5'2½'' / ?
    Reach: 64'' / ?
    Age: 24 / 31


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    (Soto pictured on the receiving end of a Omar Narvaez jab on that photo, I apologise for not having a more flattering one, but it doesn't appear to exist:conf)

    A force to be reckoned with at strawweight, Nicaraguan Gonzalez continues to work his way up the light fly rankings since his ascent in weight, hoping to add Soto's name to that of Manuel Vargas and Omar Salado in his 108lbs scalps. Not wielding exactly awe-inspiring form, it's doubtful the Mexican will provide much distress, a victory will certainly be one of if not the upset of the year.

    It's admirable what El Chocolatito is aiming for, to cement his legacy as a great one, and not one clouded by the ''what could have been'' questions that surround the likes of Ricardo Lopez, who languished in a historically irrelevant division for their entire career, rather than seek more arduous tasks a mere few pounds upwards. Gonzalez had already established himself as the best at the weight with victories over Yutaka Niida, Katsunari Takayama and Francisco Rosas, who he has overcome twice(once at light fly, in his first ''title'' outing there), leaving only Nkosinathi Joyi as one who could damage reputation. In his inaugral ''full championship'' fight at the weight after dispatching Rosas in an interim bout, he was troubled by the always game Manuel ''Chango'' Vargas, trying too hard too obliterate the solid Mexican early and tiring himself out, he was pushed hard as it ran it's course in an early FOTY contender. What was essentially a 'gimme' against Omar Salado followed, and here we are.

    Jab neglectant, overly right hand orinentated, and a ''block shots with face'' artist, Soto hasn't had the best of times when he's stepped up a level. Holding no real wins of note but he can hold solace in the fact that all his losses have come to one time ''title'' holders or challengers. A contestant in two ''world'' title bouts, his best moment came against former ''world'' champ Daniel Reyes all of six years ago in an eliminator for Muhammad Rachman's IBF strawweight title, a man he subsequently lost to in his next fight. Since losing to Brian Viloria last year he's had three meaningless wins in preparation for this, what is probably his last chance at glory.

    Gonzalez has one of the premier offensive arsenals in the entire sport, able to throw any punch in the book with equal speed, technique and power, it'll be fully apparent against a defensively lacking Omar. There is some hope for him in that Roman's main flaw is also his defense, but the Nicaraguan is levels above, coupled with the fact that Soto lacks the kind of potency when on the attack to properly exploit these deficiencies. I haven't really been one for making predictions thus far, as I'd rather not cloud anyone's judgement, but expect Gonzalez to break Soto down with uppercuts from the off, and hand him his fifth inside the distance defeat within six rounds.
     
  3. jpab19

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    Part 5.

    Toshiaki Nishioka Vs Rafael Marquez

    Super Bantamweight

    Tale Of The Tape
    Record: 38(24)-4-3 / 40(36)-6
    Height: 5'6½'' / 5'5
    Reach: 68½''/ 68½''
    Age: 35 / 36


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    (DOUBLES AS WALLET VS JPAB)

    Two men of similar age but vastly different career trajectories, champion Nishioka is high-flying and in the most fruitful run of his career thus far, while one of boxings best siblings' career appears to be winding down after providing fans with one of the greatest trilogies(YES, TRILOGY! THE FOURTH DOESN'T COUNT!:twisted:) this sport has ever witnessed against Israel Vazquez.

    After a frustrating period for the Japanese champion ranging from 2001-2004, in all four of his title tilts at bantamweight he faced off against one of Thailand's best Veeraphol Sahaprom, going 0-2-2 with the long time WBC 118lbs king. What may have been even more agonising for Toshiaki was the period of nothingness that ensued, not one meaningfull fight happened for him until finally in 2008 he got his chance at interim gold at 122lbs against Napapol Sor Rungvisai, winning by decision and not looking back since, picking up the full title against Genaro Garcia, and defeating the likes of Jhonny Gonzalez and Rendall Munroe since, he's on a hot streak of fifteen successive wins.

    If you know nothing of Rafa Marquez then hang your head in shame, and proceed to do some fervent YouTubing of the man who has a career I cannot possibly do full justice to in the solitary paragraph I have set aside for him. An offense to match that of his more well known brother's, and collosal snap, combinations and technique to match, he's back at a weight he'll be more well-suited to, after an ill-fated stint at featherweight that saw him pull out after eight rounds against the previously previewed Lopez. This appeared to be the end for him, but alas he has returned in the hope of having an Indian summer of his own, and adding to an already brilliant career that includes the likes of that trilogy with Vazquez that makes for essential viewing, and wins against Silence Mabuza(x2), Tim Austin and - personal favourite of mine - Mark Johnson(x2) amongst others.

    Nishioka is fallable in the areas southpaws are stereotypically, he's open to both right hands and left hooks high and low, shots Rafa has excelled in dispatching opponents with over the years, added to that he can be hurt when caught well enough(shown by Gonzalez), and if nothing else Rafa still carries power and the ability to find the target. Marquez himself has become more and more open as the years have flown however, and when faced against a southpaw he's always been rather partial to a left hand straight to the chops, which, you've guessed it pal, Toshiaki is an expert in throwing. It's a fight that'll leave you on edge throughout, Marquez certainly has a greater chance than many are attributing him with having, but he is still - rightfully - the underdog come Saturday night/Sunday morning. For purely sentimental purposes, filled with nostalgia, I'm picking the old dog to find some added life for just one more time, and become a two time 122lbs champion it what is sure to be yet another great one for the Marquez clans scrapbook.








    Thanks for reading all this monotonous crap if you could be bothered.:thumbsup


    But please, if I may request one small thing, for the love of god give me something here and don't make me think this was all in vain.:-(
     
  4. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    ****ing hell Jpab, your dedication is astounding, tremendous work :good

    Omar Soto weighed in at the flyweight limit of 112 :lol::patsch
     
  5. El Greeno

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    What's Light-Fly, 108?
     
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    Hammer Muldoon Active Member Full Member

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    Quality thread, really looking forward to Marquez v Nishioka. Hopefully Rafa can pull it off, legend that he is.
     
  8. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    And to think I won't even be able to see any of them live.:lol:

    Cheers though, my plan was to do one every week but that got de-railed, mainly due to lack of motivation. Might do it though, not every weekend will have this much on I suppose.

    :-((

    Tell me that the fight is still on? Because if it's off and I wrote all that on a fighter who, frankly, I don't even like/rate that much, he's going to get such a ****ing hate thread dedicated towards him he won't know what he's reading(probably because he doesn't speak English)!:twisted:

    EDIT: I'd also like to make a formal apology to Sammy Gutierrez for not fitting him in. I simply had no time tonight. If by a miracle I get a moment tomorrow I'll update my final part to include him, I respect him that much based off his effort against Juan Palacios.
     
  9. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    They gave him two hours to lose the weight, that was about an hour ago :think
     
  10. El Greeno

    El Greeno Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The fight will still be on but if he don't shed the weight then no belt on the line.

    jpab you may have a busy one Nov 5 as well:

    Bute-Johnson
    Kessler-Steiglitz
    Angulo-Kirkland
    Quillin-McEwan
    Groves-Smith
    Burns-Katsidis
    Price-McDermott

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  11. TonyCamonte

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    Great thread! :good

    Cunningham vs Hernandez

    I've got to admit I only vaguely follow the cruiserweights. That being said Cunningham and Hernandez are guys whose styles are more to my liking. Cunningham is the more talented and skilled of the two even though he hasn't impressed me in his last fights. Hernandez will put up a nice challenge, but should lose on points.


    Murat vs Campillo II

    I just hope Campillo doesn't get robbed again. He beat Murat the first time around for me, and his 2nd fight with Shumenov was a joke, at least the decision was. I really like Campillos style. He's kinda unorthodox, but somehow fluid in his own way. I've placed a bet on Campillo by points, but fear another hometown robbery.


    Lopez vs Oliver

    Juanma should really have no problem with Oliver imo. Oliver is pretty much tailor made for him. Doesn't hit hard, can't take a good punch. Lopez to win inside 6.


    Oquendo vs Araiza

    Haven't seen anything from Araiza tbh, but judging from his record Oquendo should have no problem whatsoever with him. If Chris Martin can knock him out, Oquendo should be expected to...


    Martinez vs Attah

    Attah is pretty much shot and seems to have lost most of his desire. Martinez hasn't fought in a year, but this is a pretty perfect comeback fight for him. I always liked Rocky and was kinda shocked when he lost his title to Burns. Superfeather is still pretty weak and Martinez should be able to regain his title down the road... He needs to beat Attah comfortably, though, and really he should. A knockout around round 5, I'd say.


    Rees vs Matthews

    Not so sure about this one. Not that knowledgable about those two, but I think Matthews is vulnerable early on and Rees might have a good shot of stopping him in the first couple rounds. Matthews might come on late though. I've actually placed some money on Matthews as the odds were too wide imo, so I'm going with him on points.


    Martinez vs Barker

    Sergio is my favourite boxer right now. Love watching him. Doesn't even matter if his opponent is competitive or not... I expect Barker to hold his own for a few rounds before Martinez starts to dominate. Just too fast and athletic... too good. Gonna go with a brutal KO in the 8th.


    Lee vs Vera II

    Well, this is certainly interesting. I'll be rooting for Vera, but I think Lee will get his revenge. I do think he has improved a bit, as was evident against McEwan. He'll dominate early on and might even get an early stoppage. And if he doesn't, I think he'll be smart enough to stay away from Vera for the later rounds to win comfortably on points.


    Chilemba vs Bostic

    Chilemba is good. Haven't seen too much of Bostic, but I don't see him beating Chilemba. The South African is still young and is already looking the goods. I don't think this will be as close as people think. Chilemba on points.


    Nishioka vs Marquez

    Fight of the week, clearly. How much does Marquez have left? Can he upset the odds against the fresher speed king? I like both, but gonna reluctantly go with Nishioka. Both fighters might hit the canvas, but I think Nishioka's style might give Marquez the fits more so than vice versa. But really this is a pick 'em...


    Gonzalez vs Soto

    I love Chocolatito! Soto really is no match for him, though. It'll be nice to see Gonzalez fighting in the US, but he should have an easy time today. I heard him saying he's going to box a bit more this fight, but anything other than a KO would be a disapointment, I'd say.
     
  12. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Good post Tony, and superb avatar.:good

    I think it's in Gonzalez's best interests to box a bit more really, he was even getting caught quite often by Salado due to the fact he was putting everything into getting rid of the guy. A bit more intelligence to go with that wonderful offense of his is probably the best way to go.
     
  13. MagicMan91

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    I care! :smooch

    Top quality threads mate, so, so informative, very interesting and the layout is great too. Makes it so easy to read some quality information :good
     
  14. TonyCamonte

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    Thanks! Too Sharp is probably my all time favorite fighter along with James Toney...

    And yeah, I think the first round knockdowns didn't really do Gonzalez any favor in the Salado fight. He got the wrong idea from that and thought he could easily get rid of him instead of letting the knockout come naturally...
    That he is capable of boxing patiently and beautifully was evident as early as the Niida fight imo.

    Btw: Does anybody know if Soto lost the 4 pounds in the 2 hours they gave him? Can't seem to find any news on that...
     
  15. JFT96

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    Great effort put into this, well done jpab. :good

    My personal highlight of the night is the Rafa-Nishioka fight. Obviously, Toshiaki looked great vs Munroe but that was a favourable style for him to deal with with him being able to use Rendall's plodding forward in straight lines expertly by firing off his combos at different angles. He's similar to the pre-Roach refined Pacquiao in my mind in the way he fights, being an explosive southpaw who's not too hard to find with your own punches either.

    And funnily enough, taking the Nishioka-Pacquiao comparison in mind, that is why I think Rafa, provided he is not shown to be too shopworn, has a great chance. Obviously, we've all seen the trouble Pacquiao had with JMM and though i don't think the two borthers are carbon copies of one another, the similarity they share in being fantastic combination punchers could be a big helping hand for Rafa in this. I'd even go as far as to suggest Rafa may be the better of the Marquez's in terms of offense whereas Juan Manuel is clearly a bit better defensively.

    As JMM showed vs Pacquiao, his classy technique was able to see him take control eventually of the tempo of the fight as Manny's attacks became a bit one dimensional and led to him being hit more often than he was hitting. If that happens to a fighter in the mould of the older version of Pacquiao and this Nishioka, it's a big worry for them IMO. Therefore I really do favour Rafa's chacnes in this one, I think the accuracy with which he throws shots means that a loss of speed isn't too much of a hinderance and I fancy him on pts if he gets into a nice rythym where he is controlling both the distance and pace of the fight. VAMOS RAFA!!!!

    I also like the Cunningham fight, I really respect him as a fighter and the way his career has gone. He deserves full respect for taking on all challenges and the Adamek fight was such an epic, I fail to see how anyone can't like him after that. Just a shame his body isn't really suited to moving to heavyweight, he certainly is skilled enough to be a big name up there.