Sergio Martinez - Andre Ward --> Who do You rank Higher (P4P)

Andre Ward. . . Kessler, and Froch > Pavlik, and Williams. . .

Their "second tier" opponents like Dzinz, Macklin, and Barker. . . Bika, Green, Abraham are then pretty much on the same level. . . But the Kessler, and Froch wins are so much better than Pavlik, and Williams IMO. .

Also, not to mention Sergio SPLIT WINS with Williams (losing once). . Then he got outboxed by Pavlik for a good 4 rounds. . Outboxed by Macklin, and Barker for 4-5 rounds too. . .

So far, there's nothing CLOSE to having a blueprint for Ward.

 

Floyd
Pac
JMM
Ward
Martinez

 

Green small in size? I think not. . . He had issues making 168. . He's now at 175...

Kessler wasn't past his best when Ward beat him... He might be now, though.

Pavlik, however, was almost certainly past his best - he was also FRESH outta rehab (LITERALLY - he started training camp the day he left rehab LOL). Drained himself out to make the weight. . .


ALSO, Sergio has a DRAW with Cintron (yeah, I know he really won) . . . AND a LOSS to Williams!

People just get carried away cause of the devastating KO. . . And he was getting outboxed by Pavlik for 4-5 rounds. . . THEN, he was getting outboxed by Barker, and Macklin for a good portion of the fight. . But yes, he did score the KO. .

Ward has hardly lost a round. . . And again, Kessler + Froch > Pavlik + Williams.

 

To be honest, Donaire belongs above both Ward, and Martinez, though. . .

He's the only guy who actually beat OTHER GUYS on the top 10 pound for pound list. .. ANd he's gone through 4 weight classes (3-weight champ).

 

Green isn't a small guy at all, he just wasn't exactly S6 material.
And the fight was :barf

 

Williams was regarded as top 10 when Martinez beat him, and I fail to see why weight-jumping is necessarily a big boost when both Martinez and Ward have gone lineal at their current divisions, something Donaire has never done.

 

Ward number 2 pfp been saying this for awhile now

 

:think

 

Think Ward still has more to do to prove he should be rated higher than Sergio.

Like beating Bute, or one of the top lhws.

Or beating Sergio at a catch weight, although I don't like cw fights.

 

Ward did win the tournament, but Williams gets so underrated NOW since his devastating loss to Sergio. It's a miracle Williams has recuperated and slowly getting back to his old self, but even from the Ishida fight Williams isn't 100%or the 100 handed giant who was the most feared and avoided fighter below 160. If not for brutal ko I think both Williams and Sergio were capable of producing acouple of upsets north of 160. I rate Ward and Sergio about the same to be honest I don't have a problem anyone rating one above the other h2h perhaps Ward may take it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sergio did produce that upset even against Ward. Only ones that come close to Sergio's power might be AA and Bute, but this is coming from a natural 154lber. P4p or h2h it's too close a call.

 

Kessler and Froch are better than Ortiz and Mosley. And also better than Mosley and Margarito. So using that logic, Ward should be #1, not Pac or Floyd.