Sergio Martinez: 'I challenge Pacquiao for his 154lbs title' - who wins?

kingalex · Nov 21, 2010

Jack said: ↑

Do you think Martinez has a better chance of making use of his weight, than Margarito had? Margarito, for all his faults, is one of the best pressure fighters in the last decade and if anyone out there was going to use pressure and size to get to Pacquiao, it was him.

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Exactly, that's what I'm talking about. Everyone thinks that Martinez isn't a power puncher because of his KO ratio, but he has proven people wrong for the 4th straight fight. Pacquiao can get hit, like Martinez, and Margo to me was incredibly effective with that poor jab he has, Martinez is way better using a jab, and Pac would feel the punches, btw I picked Martinez UD.
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blur · Nov 21, 2010

the difference in weight is too big. martinez will decision pac but im sure it will be competitive.

but if martinez gasses up in the late rounds, pac will murder him.

Jetmax · Nov 21, 2010

RealIzm said: ↑

You're biased because you're incapable of understanding that Sergio Martinez has a greater boxing intellect than Manny Pacquiao. Aside from being much smarter, he's bigger, as fast if not faster.
Pacquiao can't beat a marginally bigger man in Floyd Mayweather let alone a much bigger man of the same caliber in Martinez. This is why you are biased Jack.
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atsch

I must've missed that? When did that happen?

eze · Nov 21, 2010

Pac stands no chance unless he fights him at a cw where Martinez is drained ala DLH

el mosquito · Nov 21, 2010

Jack said: ↑

I think because of the movement he has, people tend to think Martinez is more elusive than he actually is. He was hit plenty of times against the very limited Cintron. Pavlik landed over 30% of all shots, including nearly 50% of his power punches, which consist of...a right hand. Paul Williams, who isn't an accurate puncher, landed 300 shots on him, so I think people should understand that, even though he's a slick mover, Martinez can be hit.

And these guys who have hit him clean aren't exactly Arguello-esque punchers. Cintron has wide shots and isn't a precision puncher at all. Pavlik is fairly accurate but only has two punches in his entire arsenal, including the right hand, which isn't hard to spot. Williams throws incredibly wide punches and doesn't have that much speed or snap to his shots.

So if these guys are all hitting Martinez and getting good success, why wouldn't Pacquiao? I know all three are bigger than Pacquiao, but Martinez has good foot movement and doesn't get hit clean on the outside, which means that all these numbers of people hitting him, are on the inside. Even though Pacquiao is a lot short, Martinez's defence on the inside really isn't that good because he squares himself up and will trade.

So when they do trade, what would happen? I'm not sure why so many people are voting for a Martinez stoppage, other than the knee jerk reaction to last nights fight. Pacquiao has fought bigger punchers in Margarito and Cotto, took their shots, and not flinched. There is no indication that Martinez would hut Pacquiao, let alone stop him. On the inside and middle ranges, Pacquiao should be favoured. He's harder to hit, has a better punch variety and can land combinations. Martinez is limited to a great left hand and not much else.

Pacquiao wins this fight, I'm confident about that.
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Qouted for truth :good:good

el mosquito · Nov 21, 2010

RealIzm said: ↑

You're biased because you're incapable of understanding that Sergio Martinez has a greater boxing intellect than Manny Pacquiao. Aside from being much smarter, he's bigger, as fast if not faster.
Pacquiao can't beat a marginally bigger man in Floyd Mayweather let alone a much bigger man of the same caliber in Martinez. This is why you are biased Jack.
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you've been posting in ESB for so long and yet you are still an idiot

christo · Nov 21, 2010

Beenie said: ↑

Most likely outcome is Martinez on the cards or by late stoppage.

However, I'd be interested to see how Martinez handles Pac's power both to the body and to the head when he drops his hands.
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He only drops his hands out of range, alot like calzaghe did. His footwork
would keep him out of range against pacman. I really can't beleive there's
a debate on whether martinez would beat pac. Enough is enough! Pac
needs to fight mayweather or the winner of bradley/Alexander. He'd lose
to maravilla.

Doc · Nov 21, 2010

Sergio no question.

ripper13 · Nov 21, 2010

Can Martinez still go down to 154 safely? It'll be a good fight if he can.

BigBone · Nov 22, 2010

ripper13 said: ↑

Can Martinez still go down to 154 safely? It'll be a good fight if he can.
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DiBella said let's do it at 155 following Arum's "Pac would beat Martinez" comment, and I think if he can make 155, he can get rid of one last pound. Wouldn't be easy, but Martinez is a professional so he can do it.

Lance_Uppercut · Nov 22, 2010

BigBone said: ↑

DiBella said let's do it at 155 following Arum's "Pac would beat Martinez" comment, and I think if he can make 155, he can get rid of one last pound. Wouldn't be easy, but Martinez is a professional so he can do it.
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If they fought at 155, guaranteed it would be for Sergio's title, not Pac's.

BigBone · Nov 24, 2010

Lance_Uppercut said: ↑

If they fought at 155, guaranteed it would be for Sergio's title, not Pac's.
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And at 154, it'd be for Pac's. I'm asking who'd win in a fight for Pac's title not Maravilla's.

BigBone · Nov 24, 2010

P4P#2 Sergio Martinez would like to challenge P4P#1 Manny Pacquiao for the ultimate pound-for-pound showdown and the WBC LMW title PacMan picked up after Maravilla vacated it.

"If Manny is willing to defend his WBC super welterweight title, I would come down to 154 pounds to challenge him for it as well as allow him to challenge me for my WBC middleweight title. It would be the opportunity of a lifetime."

Always respectful, Maravilla added: "But I'm a realist and if he feels that he is physically too small to fight me I certainly understand that too."

If the fight comes off between the current and former LMW champ, who would you pick to win?

OPBF · Nov 24, 2010

Well, if Pac and Martinez does happen, I am NOT going to bet against Pacquiao. Screw that, I ain't betting crap.

Already thought his limit was when Morales beat him and that was my mistake.

If Pac fights Maravilla, balls of steel. But I don't like the idea of Sergio betting his title on the line.

Won't people just claim this fight shouldn't be for the 160 lb title even if (A BIG IF) he wins it?

Tackleberry · Nov 24, 2010

Let it happen. Screw Mayweather, let it happen!

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