Sergio Martinez is a cancer in the MW division

FOTY-caliber battle in defeat to the great Tall Paul
Legit lineal title from Pavlik; likely drunk, but very much top notch quality win
Epic KO of Tall Paul
Stoppages over Dzinziruk, Macklin, and Barker in his reign

Pretty damn great...

 

I remember Pirog saying that they offered Martinez 3 million USD for a fight in Russia.

 

Someone who understands that Barker became a woldchamp after his loss against Martinez?

You are such a stupid hater haha.

 

Who has he ducked? In fact, I'm pretty sure he fought almost everyone. At this point, he's probably semi-retired as he looked pretty bad in his last fights.

 

since I often refer to sturm as "a cancer on the sport", and considering yesterday sturm was getting a right royal blasting on this forum (while Martinez was rightly being reinforced as the genuine MW champion), methinks this is a 'revenge post' because somebody wasn't very happy

what do you think about felix sturm?

 

Lets just look at some facts about Sturm -

More MW title defences than any other current MW champ
Is a 4 time MW champ
Won WBA WBO IBF MW titles
Has been fighting in MW title fights longer than any other current MW champs
Has a better resume than at least 2 of the other 3 MW champs and could be argued with the 3rd
Has beaten more than one other MW champ

 

there you go again with your 'belts mean everything' posts
now post and tell me who he fought and when

EDIT : then do the same with martinez

 

that my friend is what is characterized as a fact...

 

I just noted the titles he had won, but you are correct that belts arent everything.

I know who both fought. I did a post on the MW division yesterday, which I believe you posted on?

Sturm beat
WBO MW champ Velazco
Varon
Many felt he beat De La Hoya
former MW champ Cherifi who beat K Holmes
former champ and world class MW Schenk
WBA MW champ Masoe
WBA MW champ Castillejo
Alocoba undefeated and years later a suitable opponent for then considered world class SMW now LHW champ Stevens
Sylvester who went on to win the IBF MW title and only lost by SD to Geale
Gevor
Hearns
Macklin
drew with Murray who some felt beat Martinez and who put Martinez down
Zbik who some felt beat Chavez jnr
Barker IBF MW champ

Now I havent said Sturm is better or worse than Martinez and I probably knew of Martinez long before you when he was fighting in the UK.
What I have done is noted facts about Sturm and that makes you struggle.

Martinez has a good win over Pavlik, I think his win over Williams was good, but what had Williams done at MW? Williams was struggling with Cintron and been found, Barker was a good win which Sturm equalled and the Murray win was a good win but similar in performance to what Sturm had done where both had people who felt it could have gone either way, Dzinziruk was a good win in my opinion, but what had he done at MW? Macklin was a fair win for Martinez, but Sturm had already done that, Chavez was a good win for Sturm but many felt he had lost to Zbik who Sturm went on to beat 4 rounds after he gave Chavez a tough fight.

Now you probably struggle with this as Sturm doesnt need America to have a good career in boxing

 

Are you anywhere near a bridge or a railway line?

 

:deal

Spot on Bailey

 

I don't know why you feel the need to repeat that I will "struggle" to understand what you are saying as if it somehow bolsters your argument, but whatever

I completely understand why sturm ran his career the way he did. and you're right he doesn't need the US to get rich

but like I said yesterday posting to somebody, if sturm wants to exist in a 'bubble', he doesn't suddenly become a legitimate champion just because all germans believe in his belt

you're right that belts aren't everything, but if you look at your examples above, you've used belts to try and bolster sturm's resume, while never needing to with Martinez

I know you went down this path initially several years ago to try and lend weight to calzaghe's resume, but with respect, you need to drop it if you're going to evolve as a poster
i'm pleased to see that you can acknowledge that belts aren't everything, but next time you feel the need to use them...ask yourself why

you have to separate these so-called "facts" which are always linked to belts, and simply look at who a fighter fought and when. nothing more.

I have to run
enjoy :good

 

I'll agree during his early reign he dodged his biggest challenge in Pirog. Yeah HBO owed Shaw a couple fights on Dzinziruk, but I'm guessing if HBO was willing to match him with Jonathan Gonzalez, that Dibella didn't exactly have a gun to his head when accepting the fight. He knew who Dzinziruk was and jumped at the chance to match Sergio with the light punching JMW. They then followed that with Macklin & Barker.

The argument Dibella used against Pirog was that he was an unknown European (despite holding a MW title that he won on HBO against a hyped American fighter). They then proceed to fight three straight Europeans who had never fought on US tv before.

 

Thank you