Sergio martinez is NOT the lineal middleweight champion anymore.

christo · May 22, 2013

kirk said: ↑

Fair enough I wont argue with what someone believe were and weren't the true top 5 guys at the time Serg was fighting these dudes (though I would still be interested to know 5 fighters above Jr and Macklin at the time they fought Martinez. Not now, a year later, but when the fights were signed. I wouldn't argue that they weren't but Id like to see the list)

but ya, I could totally get ones point of view on that and wouldn't argue it.

But if that's the case, you shouldn't have centered almost your entire post around the Ring belt, and that he should be stripped of it. If the Ring belt means **** all, then theres really no need to talk about how he should be stripped of it.... because going by their standards, he shouldn't.

Your post should have just been about how Martinez should no longer be considered the undisputed champion of the division because he hasn't fought the true top contenders, despite their organizational rankings.

Instead the entire post almost is about the Ring belt.

Also,
Regardless of everything, he will always be the lineal champion, until beaten. That doesn't change just because a guy doesn't fight the best. That is not something you can lose, unless you are beaten. That's not my opinion but the very nature of what being the lineal champion is.

What changes is being the undisputed champion. When Martinez beat Pavlik he was the linear, undisputed middleweight champion.

The undisputed champion (being THE champ) is whats debatable. Martinez being the lineal champion is a non debatable fact, regardless of his opposition.

Anyways, I see now what you were getting at in your opening post... and wont argue further as I can at least see why you think that.
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Good enough Kirk:good You scared me for a minute there. you're like
one of the last remaining smart objective grownups on here in a land
full of zombie chatroom junkies. for the record, remember when alot
of people were considering Dariusz M as the lineal champ when RJJ
was in his prime because of the BS with the WBA belt and how DM
really beat the man who beat the man. Well, i didn't buy that BS then
and considered RJJ the man at 175 because of how he cleaned out the
weight class. If they went by who beat who the champ was once upon
a time but never did **** thereafter then zsolt erdei, no denis grachev,
would be the RING beltholder at 175 instead of chad dawson. I was
using the RING belt because it's SUPPOSED to hold the integrity of
who the best is in the weight class, but sadly does not anymore.

kirk · May 22, 2013

christo said: ↑

Good enough Kirk:good You scared me for a minute there. you're like
one of the last remaining smart objective grownups on here in a land
full of zombie chatroom junkies. for the record, remember when alot
of people were considering Dariusz M as the lineal champ when RJJ
was in his prime because of the BS with the WBA belt and how DM
really beat the man who beat the man. Well, i didn't buy that BS then
and considered RJJ the man at 175 because of how he cleaned out the
weight class. If they went by who beat who the champ was once upon
a time but never did **** thereafter then zsolt erdei, no denis grachev,
would be the RING beltholder at 175 instead of chad dawson. I was
using the RING belt because it's SUPPOSED to hold the integrity of
who the best is in the weight class, but sadly does not anymore.
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Took me awhile to accept it (I didn't give up on the Ring till they ranked Broner in the top 7 p4p, and now Canelo at 10) but its true, Ring rankings are dead. RIP Ring.

vargasfan1985 · May 22, 2013

christo said: ↑

Shut up little boy. 2 grown-ups were talking.
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You got ****ing trashed. You are being owned with pure facts over and over. STFU and sit down, child.

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