Sergio Martinez is over rated, and full of ****

I have Sergio at number 5 on my list and because of his recent choice of opposition, he's starting to slip off his spot. I won't hesitate to knock him off the list if he continues to fight B or C level guys. I think that's fair. As for the situation with Pacquiao, MP did say he would fight Sergio at a 150 lb limit. If I'm not mistaken Sergio has agreed to that weight. Pac still won't give him a match. Wouldn't you feel misled if you were in Sergio's shoes?

People forget that Sergio is a small middleweight. He should really be at 154. He has called out Cotto, Marg, Chavez Jr. Arum won't let any of his guys fight Sergio. But if you **** Team Arum off bad enough, you just might get a fight. We know Sergio is just desperate for a big money fight as he should be since the clock is ticking. If talking trash gets you a big fight then it should never be a crime. Ask David Haye about how talked his way to a title shot.

As for Floyd, didn't his team say they'd consider a fight with Sergio? You can't blame SM for calling out Floyd when Mayweather has NEVER said he won't fight Sergio. In fact, Floyd once said, "It's possible" when asked if he would ever meet SM in the ring. That said, why are we giving Sergio a hard time? He's just knocking on a door that's halfway open. Put a "Do not Disturb" sign up if you don't want to be bothered. Simple.

 

if hes a fraud, so are pacman and mayweather. pac fights weight drained fighters at catch weights left and right, and mayweather fights shitty fighters who have obvious flaws that can be exploited. but sergio is a fraud for calling them out? SEXY SERGIO 4 LIFE!!! You just can't handle the sexy, you **** smoker!

 

He is certainly a top P4P fighter and has proved it. He is full of **** though, particularly recently and it's starting to stall his career when he is focusing all his energies only on fights with guys who won't fight him and is neglecting his duty as the top MW to beat the top contenders.

 

Notable Pacquiao wins:


Barrera x 2
Morales x 2
Solis
Diaz
De La Hoya
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito


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Notable Mayweather wins:


Hernandez
Corrales
Castillo x 2
N'dou
Corley
Gatti
Judah
De La Hoya
Hatton
Marquez
Ortiz


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Notable Martinez wins:


Alex Bunema (Being kind)
Kelly Pavlik
Paul Williams



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Again, Dzinziruk ain't ****. Padded record, stay-at-home, ageing junior middleweight.


Barker was inexperienced at 23 fights, another stay-at-home fighter, fought once outside of the U.K. before the Martinez fight. Fought mostly cans.


In '06, and '07, Sergio fought guys who were 13-24-2, and 3-34-2 respectively, for ****'s sake. That's not that long ago. Who were Mayweather and Pacquaio fighting 3 years before they topped the P4P lists? Certainly weren't fighting cans like that.


I appreciate that P4P lists are just opinion.


Here's my opinion;


SERGIO MARTINEZ IS NOT THE #3P4P BOXER ON THE PLANET.


And that should be everyone's opinion. :bart

 

you almost sounded open minded until that last sentence. now its obvious you're just a bigot. my opinion is that you are intimidated by martinez's sexiness.

 

You know I'm right. Hero or not, you have to admit he's vastly overrated. His record speaks for itself. It's not worthy of P4P#3. :deal

 

Bringing up Martinez's record from 2002-2007 isn't really a fair criticism IMO. That wasn't a matter of protecting him and inflating his record in order to get a title shot; it was a matter of Martinez being a member of boxing's underclass, with no promoter and a part-time job. Even in 2007, when had earned his way into becoming the mandatory for the WBC title, he still had to take lower quality fights because neither Oscar nor Forrest wanted that fight.

Does that somehow mean it's an HOF level resume? Of course not, and no one is seriously claiming he's going to end up on any top 100 list. Does it also mean he's unworthy of a top P4P slot? The answer to that question is also no in my opinion; P4P lists are always a matter of "what have you done for me lately" and I believe his resume over the past 2.5 years compares favorably to that of pretty much anyone else in the entire sport. I don't have him at 3 anymore, but that's simply because of Marquez going to 2 on his own merit, not because of anything Martinez has failed to do.

 

Before fighting Martinez, he fought in UK, Poland, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, USA and Germany. He has a lot of homes, apparently. :yep Santos, Lujan, Julio and Konecny are decent names on his resume. He is also younger than Sergio, and was not suspected to be spent, that I'm aware. He and Sergio are about the same weight, also. I highly doubt age or weight was involved with how the fight played out or in any way detracts from Sergio's victory over him, which should certainly be considered a very good one, with the quality of opponent and the level of performance both.

 

those people calling Sergio sexy must be really a ******. too many fans coming out of the closet. hahaha

 

He's from the Ukraine, and based in Germany. The vast majority of his fights took place in those countries. Had a few fights in Poland, I know, but I'm not sure that qualifies as an 'away' fight, given the proximity and also the 'quality' of opponents he faced there hardly made them tough fights.

Yep, decent. Decent..

Dzinziruk fought at no higher than 154 his entire career, until the Martinez fight. Sergio's been up near 160 for the last few years now. You might say it's only a few pounds, but it's still a step up when you've been below it for your entire career and move up for the first time.

He's had a solid career, I don't mean to belittle him. But the point I was trying to convey is that he isn't the type of opponent that one could add to the justification of Sergio as #3p4p.

 

Since Hagler or Hopkins :yep
sry

 

Having Bunema listed as a notable win and not Dzinziruk pretty much shows the clarity of your thinking with regard to this particular subject, so I don't feel the need to go on with you, on this one, mate.

 

As I said in the original post, I was being kind putting in Bunema. If I hadn't, some Martinez fan would have whined about it, no doubt. Pavlik and Williams are his only two notable wins, in reality. All that I said about Dzinziruk above still applies :conf. You can't use Dzinziruk to add justification to Martinez as #3P4P. Also, remember, people were talking about Martinez being #3 as soon as he beat Williams, before he even fought Dzinziruk, so it's actually irrelevant, in any case.

Would your comments on this matter happen to be because of an excessive fondness for Eastern European fighters? :think

 

I'd say Dzinziruk was clearly top 3 at 154 and arguably the best in that division on the basis of resume. If you don't think Martinez dominating him in the way that he did adds to his credentials at all, then I hope you're consistent and apply the same standard to Narvaez for Donaire.

 

martinez has had really shitty promoters thus far.