Sergio Martinez will have no problem beating Sergiy Dzinziruk.

HENDO · Jan 19, 2011

46and0 said: ↑

This is an interesting fight. Martinez despite his amazing accomplishments is not really a Middleweight. I can't see him hanging about the division much longer. Hopefully he'll get shot of this guy then go down in weight and fight Mayweather.
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Dzininziruk is coming up from 154 as well and he's not a big puncher. How do you think he would do against Pavlik?

To be honest, I think Pavlik knocks him out late because a guy that doesn't move his head and isn't a big puncher himself is going to get KTFO by Pavlik.

elchivito · Jan 19, 2011

Peppermint said: ↑

I slightly favor SD because I think he will give a counterpuncher like Martinez little to work with by keeping behind his jab and controlling the center of the ring. Martinez hasnt fought as diciplined as fighter as Sergiy yet either. It will be a good fight.
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:deal Yea, exactly. I think people smart enough should know by now getting in a toe to toe battle with Martinez is not the smart way to beat him. Williams and even Cintron had some success with their jabs. We've seen the best of Sergio, I may be wrong, but we don't know what the Razor is capable of just like many didn't know what Sergio was capable of. Is the Razor another pandora's box waiting to be opened just like Martinez was? Can't wait to find out.

D Berns · Jan 19, 2011

BigBone said: ↑

Dzinziruk has an elite jab and the key for Martinez is getting by it. Sergiy is a very highly skilled technically, but the jab is essential for things to work, and Maravilla has the worst possible style - fast and elusive, very hard to time and comes back from all angles which is very effective vs. European/Russian styled boxers.

I think Martinez can neutralize the jab pretty early making Dzinziruk uncomfortable and unable to set up the right hand, so I see the Ukranian oprating with singe shots, with far less success than his opponent who'll unload combinations and remain on the move all night.

Pretty sweet style match-up BTW, it reminds me a bit of Calzaghe-Kessler, the improvisational style of Martinez vs. the highly defensive and clean textbook style of Dzinziruk. The question for me is that will Martinez settle in to outbox the boxer on the move or will he be overconfident in his newfound power and give up footwork trying to bang Sergiy out? That would give the Ukranian plety of chance, and IMO the best thing Martinez can do is box early and turn on the heat later when he got Dzinziruk figured out, but I'm sure Gabriel Sarmiento is already taking notes in his legandary notebook.

This is an excellent fight for the fan of sweet science.
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ill keep that in mind.

christo · Jan 19, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

In fact, he will make it look easy.

I know that I will get a fair amount of criticism by people who say that Sergiy is far too fundamentaly sound to be beaten easily, even by a boxer of Martinez' caliber, but if Sergiy is considered "textbook," Martinez went to a different school; a school designed for the gifted and tallented, and he learned from a different book.

While it is a bit more complicated than this, and from a historical perspective not entirely accurate, contemporary wisdom has designated Sergiy's style as European, and Martinez's style as American.

Both are excellent practitioners of their respective styles and each style has its advantages and disadvantages, but in this particular scenario, Martinez' style in combination with his tallent and athletic ability gives him a distinct advantage over his European counterpart.

In order to understand Martinez' advantage and why he will win the fight in a way that will make it look easy, you need insight into each fighter's style and ability.

Martinez is a fast fighter that uses movement, angles, footwork, and reflexes, to set up his attack and defend against his opponent. He has shown that he is also versatile, able to fight on the outside and recently, on the inside as he proved against Pavlik and Williams. In both William's fights, he also showed that he has underrated if not dangerous power, especially in his left hand. He also brings a good workrate and a high level of conditioning to the table, and the capability to go to war if necessary and has proved this at the highest level.

He does have weaknesses; however, which can be exploited by the right opponent. For instance, in the first Williams vs Martnez fight, Williams used his height, reach, and ability to throw from multiple angles to score on Martinez at range, and ultimately Martinez' failure to adapt cost him the fight, even though many observers felt Martinez deserved to win.

At the same time though, Martinez showed his tallent and ability by going even money mostly on the outside with a tall and awkward fighter who had a significant reach and height advantage.

In the second fight though, Martinez nullified Williams' physical advantages by being more aggressive and fighting inside of William's reach, which made for a quick fight against the formerly undefeated champion.

He used a similiar tactic against Pavlik, fighting both outside and inside, cutting Pavlik and taking away his heart in the process, ripping away the middleweight championship.

Another way to beat Martinez is to maul him and force him to expend energy, while also throwing and awkward angles that are difficult for him to evade. While many believe that Martinez was green, and I don't disagree, Margarito was able to accomplish this.

So while Martinez does have strengths, he also has weaknesses that can be exploited by a particular style and maybe more importantly a particular fighter who must excell within that style.

The question is, does Dzinziruk have what it takes to exploit these weaknesses?

If you analyze Sergiy, you'll see that he stands relativey straight up and down, and uses a classic high guard style, predominated by straight and precise punching, and dictated by an accurate jab. He is a tall fighter at 6'0,'' and rarely gets hits flush, but he is neither awkward or a mauling inside fighter.

And against Martinez, his style will be exploited.

First, you have to start with his level of competition. He hasn't dealt with anybody NEAR Martinez's caliber and he hasn't proved that he can deal with movement. In fact, Lukas Konecny was giving him fits by merely moving his head and ducking, let alone moving his feet and using angles.

Another point is Sergiy won't have a southpaw advantage which can make him awkward and difficult to land on clean especially given his high guard and his opponent's inexperience with southpaw fighters. Considering Martinez's is a southpaw himself, who just fought a top southpaw for the second time in Paul Williams, it won't be an issue.

In fact, the fact that it's two southpaws will nullify any potenial advantage Dziniziruk may of had, which is debateable within itself given the caliber and ability of his opponent. The reason being is that it will give Martinez even more options available that he can set up with the jab.

This is a major part of what it will make this a one sided fight in Martinez' favor. As I've previously stated, Martinez does have weaknesses that can be exploited by the styles I've discussed or a SPECIAL fighter, Dziniziruk is none of these.

He doesn't possess great athletic qualities, his punches are predictable, his angles are neglible, and his defense can be pentrated with the right style and practioner, which Martinez fits both of these descriptions.

Martinez will take away Dziniziruk's jab with his elusiveness and movement, who will find it difficult to tag the small, often ducking target that is Martinez, and every time he shoots it, let alone any other punch he will be open for counterpunches that will come back in sharp, rapid combinations.

In addition, Dziniziruk needs his feet to be set in order to be effective, but Martinez's footwork and angles will make it almost impossible for Dziniziruk to do this without first getting hit, or leaving himself open for counter punches.

This brings me to my overall prediction for the fight.

Dzinziruk will find out immediately that he is in with a different class of opponent and no amount of previous fights or sparring will compensate for his inexperience and inability to adapt. Martinez will take away his jab with hard counterpunches, possibly scoring a flash knockdown in the process, which will make Diniziruk reluctant to throw.

Dzinziruk's activity level will drop drastically in the mid rounds while Sergio fires off rapid combinations, and completely dominates his outclassed opponent. The more Dziniziruk opens up, the greater his chance of being stopped rises.

The likely outcome of this fight is that Dzinziruk survives the distance on a one sided beating, but I would not be surprised if he quits on his stool, his corner throws the towel in, or the ref stops the fight because he's not responding.

This will be a one sided Martinez domination. It may be exciting, but only because Martinez will make it that way, but it will be completely one sided.

Honestly, I think perhaps Dzinziruk should have tested the waters with Pirog who has a lot of potential, but is still green. Honestly, I would probably give Pirog a slight edge, but it's essentially 50/50.

Pavlik likely stops him late.

Feel free to weigh in.
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Very well thought out and lucid post, and while you are valid in most
of your points i must disagree on a few. Firstly, yes. sergio was green
when he lost to margocheato and mauling him isn't necessarliy the way
to beat him now. 2nd'ly, sergey is entirely a different kettle of fish in terms of using his reach than is williams. PW falls in every time and he
punches from too far away. Pwill isn't a thinking fighter like sergey is.
also, the czech konecny DID NOT give dzin fits( you didn't see the fight,
it's Ok though you can admit it to yourself, i know the truth)
While I do give the nod to the champion in predictions road, one cannot
help to have alot wonder as to how the fight will turn out. To call dzin
a textbook euro fighter(what does that mean anyway, they say that
about pirogatsch) means you're great written analogy is based on reading,
fact finding, and heresay. Not studying the fighter on tape like i have.
Sergey is a very boring fighter, and he'll never be a star. He could shut
sergio out and shock the boxing world, but would probably get boo's in the process as the cards were being announced. I had to force myself to pay attention in the 3 fights i've seen of him, but the man is a flawless prefromer. Sergio, isn't..............and by far. Martinez is fast, awkward,
fit, and has heart. His cons are, mediorce balance and footwork( poor man's joe calzaghe with better power) and an at times reckless style, but
his assets are his awkwardness, and his fitness. I suspect this fight will
have alot of heads being scratched, but it won't be an easy nights work for either guy. My prediction is a 116-112 win for sergio because of the
effort and better punch selection, but he will be outboxed in about half
the contest mixed in throughout. A close decision win for the razor would
not shock me in the slightest. I value your opinion hendo, but i'm sensing
a little bias here along with true boxing knowledge.

Good thread either way:good

bam bam · Jan 20, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

Not by a long shot.

Cintron, and ESPECIALLY Pavlik and Williams offered far more of a challenge.
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:-(When Martinez loses you will hype Dzinziruk and pretend to be a huge fan of his for years.

bailey · Jan 20, 2011

Dzinziruk - Martinez is a great fight that I havent decided a winner between yet, but will do nearer fight time.
Its easy to get carried away with Martinez because he beat a couple of hype jobs in Williams and Pavlik, but Dzinziruk will be a real test of his ability.

Look forward to this one

HENDO · Jan 20, 2011

christo said: ↑

Very well thought out and lucid post, and while you are valid in most
of your points i must disagree on a few. Firstly, yes. sergio was green
when he lost to margocheato and mauling him isn't necessarliy the way
to beat him now. 2nd'ly, sergey is entirely a different kettle of fish in terms of using his reach than is williams. PW falls in every time and he
punches from too far away. Pwill isn't a thinking fighter like sergey is.
also, the czech konecny DID NOT give dzin fits( you didn't see the fight,
it's Ok though you can admit it to yourself, i know the truth)
While I do give the nod to the champion in predictions road, one cannot
help to have alot wonder as to how the fight will turn out. To call dzin
a textbook euro fighter(what does that mean anyway, they say that
about pirogatsch) means you're great written analogy is based on reading,
fact finding, and heresay. Not studying the fighter on tape like i have.
Sergey is a very boring fighter, and he'll never be a star. He could shut
sergio out and shock the boxing world, but would probably get boo's in the process as the cards were being announced. I had to force myself to pay attention in the 3 fights i've seen of him, but the man is a flawless prefromer. Sergio, isn't..............and by far. Martinez is fast, awkward,
fit, and has heart. His cons are, mediorce balance and footwork( poor man's joe calzaghe with better power) and an at times reckless style, but
his assets are his awkwardness, and his fitness. I suspect this fight will
have alot of heads being scratched, but it won't be an easy nights work for either guy. My prediction is a 116-112 win for sergio because of the
effort and better punch selection, but he will be outboxed in about half
the contest mixed in throughout. A close decision win for the razor would
not shock me in the slightest. I value your opinion hendo, but i'm sensing
a little bias here along with true boxing knowledge.

Good thread either way:good
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Mr. Christo, I have to give you credit. I didn't get to watch the entire Konecny fight because YOUTUBE only had rounds 1 and 2. I checked the outcome of the fight and saw that it ended in an SD which I then used to assume that the fight didn't change much from the first 2 rounds.

While often assuming things based on an outcome you didn't see come into fruition is not the most intelligent thing to do, in this case Dzinziruk has not shown me based on what I've seen of him in other fights that he can adapt. With him, from at least what I HAVE seen, what you see is what you get.

But in the Konecny fight, another thing I noticed was how Konecny was able to land his left hook. This concerns me because Martinez will come in low, which may provoke Dzinziruk to keep his hand low or at least away from his face like against Konecny to throw jabs, which Martinez will use as an opportunity to counter with a short left hook over the top, like he did against Paul Williams. A guy that is not used to moving his upperbody to avoid punches that makes that sort of mistake is in for a long or very short night.

I also agree with your assertion about styles in reference to a particular region because like you said, guys like Calzaghe and Pirog are definitely not protypical Euro fighters in the traditional sense in which it is defined.

But I think we both know what I'm refering to in the sense that it means the fighters typically stand straight up and use a highguard, dominated by a good jab. Winky Wright also used this style to much success. Now I'm not saying that Dzinziruk is quite on Winky's level at this time nor that his style is exactly the same, it's just similiar.

Another fighter, one who more closely resembles in Dzinziruk in my opinion is Mijares, another southpaw. Now the "Euro" style tends to be especially effective as a southpaw because its defense mechanism can make it very difficult to score cleanly against.

But I won't get to much into that, and I'll cut right to the chase. When Mijares fought a fellow Southpaw in Darchinyan, a lot of advantages he may have had as a Southpaw were nullified. Darchinyan used a crouching, style with plenty of movement, and often caught Mijares leaning in trying to hit his crouching opponent and was countered for his trouble.

I can see Sergio doing a similar job on Dzinziruk, and like Darchinyan doing a great deal of damage with his left hand, through hooks, uppercuts, and straight lefts.

I believe if Sergiy was an orthadox fighter this fight would be competitive, but because he's a southpaw, it's going to be a one sided domination that may end in a knockout. I don't think this fight was a very wise decision by his management.

He still needs to develop. He probably should have fought Yuri Foreman to see how well he can deal with his movement.

I could be wrong though, but after throughly examining each respective fighter's style and using different, but similiar fighters as examples, I just don't see how this fight could go any other way.

booradley · Jan 21, 2011

bam bam said: ↑

After 8 rds I had Pavlik in front by 1 point because of the KD,yeah it was BS but if the ref calls it a KD then thats what it is.
Until the cut Pavlik was very much in the fight..when he was cut though, Martinez was brutal and brilliant.
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There was nothing wrong with the knockdown. Martinez went down off a 3 punch combinatian. Pavlik won every round from 4 thru 8, and you could most certainly make a case for a 10/10 3rd round.

Farmboxer · Jan 21, 2011

Will be a difficult for for both.

Hosoi · Jan 22, 2011

Funny thread. That piston-like jab of Sergiy's will be hitting the mark all night long.

HENDO · Jan 22, 2011

Hosoi said: ↑

Funny thread. That piston-like jab of Sergiy's will be hitting the mark all night long.
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The thing is, whatever experience Sergiy does have against fighting Southpaws, were more than likely guys that fought similliarly to him.

When he gets in the ring with a Southpaw that has a COMPLETELY different style than he is accustomed to who has almost every concievable advantage, it's game over.

It's as simple as that. Dzinziruk is going to be way out of his element. He should have opted to fight someone like Yuri Foreman first.

Hosoi · Jan 22, 2011

HENDO said: ↑

The thing is, whatever experience Sergiy does have against fighting Southpaws, were more than likely guys that fought similliarly to him.

When he gets in the ring with a Southpaw that has a COMPLETELY different style than he is accustomed to who has almost every concievable advantage, it's game over.

It's as simple as that. Dzinziruk is going to be way out of his element. He should have opted to fight someone like Yuri Foreman first.
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Let's not pretend that Martinez has elusive defense. The guy is wide open all the time to be hit, and Sergiy WILL hit him. Sergiy is a patient, efficient fighter, and that will prove difficult for Martinez. I don't think Martinez' movement will be a problem for Sergiy because he's not going to chase him around the ring or anything. And let's not forget that Sergiy is a really good counter puncher. I just feel you are selling the guy short is all.

HENDO · Mar 10, 2011

I think Dziniziruk's switch in trainers was a smart decision and may help this become a more competitive fight.

SomeGuy101 · Mar 10, 2011

**** me this is gonna hurt me to say this....

Oh man I can't...

I feel sick......

...

but......

but...........

Hendo is right y'all. This fight's gonna be a Martinez walkover - I've yet to see Dziniziruk' fight at angles Martinez is gonna throw his game out the window and down 50 floors.

Quincy K · Mar 10, 2011

booradley said: ↑

There was nothing wrong with the knockdown. Martinez went down off a 3 punch combinatian. Pavlik won every round from 4 thru 8, and you could most certainly make a case for a 10/10 3rd round.
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yes, there are some idiots here on ESB that never saw the fight that say that SM dominated KP. I posted on another thread a youtube link where lederman had KP ahead after 8 rounds and E.Steward said that he felt that KP was going to win the fight becasue of harder and more efficient punching.

after the cut in the 9th, KP folded.

i dont see dzin bringing anything that SM has not seen or dealt with before. actually, dzin brings less. he has no proven power at 154 and is moving up to 160.

there is a reason he is +375. he has around a thirty percent chance of winning this fight.

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