Sergio Martinez would school Kelly Pavlik

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  1. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It'd not that hard to see. Martinez looked as strong, fresh, fast and busy at 160 as ever (no, he didn't have conditioning problems as HBO commentators falsely suggested), and obviously looking sharp, energetic and powerful is the minimum if you're facing Kelly Pavlik, a fighter fast becoming UNDERRATED on these boards.

    Pavlik at 160 can still terrorize opposition with his height and physical advantages and the highly effective and often deadly jab-right hand tactic and great stamina. However, take away the jab and take a further step to neutralize the right hand, and the Kelly's only slightly better than average.

    Sergio Martinez is a boxing master with very quick hands, excellent movement and very sharp counterpunching skills. Remember: he knocked out Kermit Cintron via a single blow (it took dozens for possibly dirty Margarito). Most of the shots he took last Saturday were Williams' unpredictable, very awkward, wide angled, long shots which he could never prepare for and very hard to see coming, though Maravilla adjusted fairly good for the later rounds. Pavlik is tough, strong, busy and rather quick with the 1-2, but highly predictable, at no point in the Bernard Hopkins fight you could feel Pavlik can come up with anything surprising. Plan A blasted away highly regarded but limited movers such as Miranda or Taylor, but movement and smart countering is Kelly's kryptonite and in my view Sergio Martinez at this point is sharper than Bernard Hopkins (even if you debate that, the Nard fight suggested that less'd be enough too). Think elite boxer Kessler vs. inexperienced Ward for the style-clash, and Mikkel is a class above Pavlik. Martinez is on or close to Ward's level.

    Obviously, it'd be foolish to overlook the physical strength Pavlik brings to the game, so when I say Martinez would school Pavlik, I'm also warning that it might be the most likely scenario, but there's a certain amount of unpredictability. Such as Martinez' stamina vs. a truly strong and high workrate MW (he dealt with PW's workrate pretty well) and Pavlik's lead right hand, can Maravilla block/slip&counter all of them, if not, can he take a few of those in a likely 12 round fight? But the way Martinez fought in his FIRST MW fight on SHORT NOTICE, I have no doubts given a proper training camp, he could become significantly stronger and in better shape.

    I also dare to say Sergio Martinez has a better chance upsetting Pavlik than Paul Williams, Winky Wright, Felix Sturm, or Sebasitan Sylvester based on a clear style and speed advantage. Martinez is simply all wrong for Kelly Pavlik, and you didn't need to see Saturday's fight to see that.

    Your thoughts? :think
     
  2. Pavlik is Champ

    Pavlik is Champ PDub is RUNNING scared Full Member

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    we went from paul willimas gonna school him to now martinez. i guess everyone beats the champion.
     
  3. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Congratulations for NOT reading the post and for NOT coming up with anything better! A Pavlik fan and NOT doing certain things, what a surprise.
     
  4. TroubleLurks

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    Possible. I still think Sergio is there to be hit too much to last all 12 with Kelly. Pavlik hits like a mule and his workrate, although not like Williams, is still pretty crazy.
     
  5. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    easier said than done. Pavlik is a big strong guy. I think he would stop Martinez in the late rounds.
     
  6. VanillaKilla

    VanillaKilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All aboard the hype train :lama
     
  7. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    I think you jumped the LandShark on this one. School? I doubt it. He did school Pdub for 3 rounds, but he couldn't keep it up.
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    First off, Martinez was dying by the 12th round. The pace was definitely getting to him. Are you denying this?

    And i wouldn't classify Martinez as a master boxer. He's got quick feet and hand speed but he's pretty predictable. He moves in and out with his hands down and his defense is lacking. That's why he got hit so much.

    If anyone was a "master boxer" against PW, it was Quintana. He showed true skills in that fight. Hitting but also not being hit. At least not as much as Martinez.

    I would slightly favor Pavlik. But wouldn't surprise me if Martinez did outbox Pavlik.
     
  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It would be interesting to say the least. Kelly can certainly apply pressure of similar overall magnitude to Paul's (less actual punches thrown, but heavier and more damaging ones) and he too could test the limits of Martinez's usually dependable conditioning by making him move out of harm's way and counter for dear life at a higher volume than with which he is comfortable.

    Martinez by close decision (winning most of the first half and stealing an occasional late round with a second wind after taking a few off but to retreat) or Pavlik by late, brutal "Gotcha!" KO.
     
  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    It's easier said than done. I'm not a huge Pavlik fan but he's been too much heat. It's ridiculous. He got schooled, yeah, but he was schooled by B-Hop at a higher weight. Then everyone starts going on about how he will get schooled and dominated by Williams blah, blah. Now he'll be schooled by Martinez.

    PLEASE. Williams got so overrated. He's good but the guy gets hit a lot and hasn't tasted power from a real puncher yet, especially not at 160. What happens if Pavlik connects at least a third of the times Martinez did? I'm not sure Williams even has a chance.

    Martinez? Can he last 12? Ugh, not so sure.
     
  11. BOGART

    BOGART Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A Pavlik-Martinez fight is even more appealing now then what it was. I still don't think Martinez beats Pavlik but he is a live underdog. I think Martinez would jump to an early lead but Pavlik would come on late. If Martinez ends the fight on his feet he could pull off the upset but I think Pavlik grinds him down and stops him late in a good fight.
     
  12. TonyPeri

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    Pavlik seems to quick becoming a guy that won't fight the best. I wish he would just follow through with the fight against Williams - then Martinez - end all the speculation. That's what champions do. He's turning into a cherry picker.
     
  13. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    Both Williams and Martinez would make Pavlik look like a stationary object.
     
  14. Zerwas1

    Zerwas1 Active Member Full Member

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    Pavlik doesn't hit like a mule....people will never get it
     
  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    It's such a damn shame SGM only appeared on the radar so late in his career. Instead of taking these dangerous match-ups with middleweights out of necessity given how barren his division is, he could have been tangling - with fresher legs - with legit 154 lb guys like Spinks, Mayorga, and Forrest several years back. Those would have been incredibly entertaining (and winnable) and he could be a huge star by now.