Sergio Martinez would school Kelly Pavlik

Brilliant response noob. You made an unqualified statement regarding a fighter whose name you can't even spell. Clearly you have no idea what you are prattling on about.

 

From your responses so far, I'd guess you believe the answer to that question is neither?

 

I think the thread is a FAIL
Martinez showed he is definitely a true 154 lber. And I would bet on Pavlik by KO.
I did have Martinez winning against Williams by 2 points though. But i think Williams would fair better against Pavlik (though still loosing). Reason is height. Williams looked to be a head taller than Martinez. So is Martinez 5'10" ? Martinez cant throw good straight punches. Pavlik comes straight down the center. Pavlik is used to bigger, harder hitting guys than both Williams or Martinez so he can trade. And guess what happens then...
against Williams or Martinez

 

Non sense - no sense -- nonsense -- non-sense -- it's still pure bull****.

 

between ur avatar and what u just said i have a question... you have a thing for butts?:huh

 

then i was right in thinking u know nothing about pavlik..he still has alot of heart and as i said u will see.

 

pavlik by KO, and if he can grow some balls he will definately KO Williams.

 

Laughing my ass off at all the posters who said bazaar **** like "Martinez is significantly more skilled than Pavlik."atsch

The one thing Martinez lacks is actual boxing skill. He relies almost entirely on reflexes and speed. He has virtually zero fundamental boxing skill.

 

Bizarre, not bazaar. Unless you mean they're the kinds of things people say in towelhead open markets.

Also, there is a difference between technique and skill.

Martinez is a skilled fighter.

What he eschews in his style is not skill but fundamental boxing technique. He isn't a textbook fighter, he does a lot of things "wrong". I would not, however, put him in the same category as a RJJ, who relies purely on speed and athleticism. He's not that fast or that athletic. He's fast and athletic enough and also skilled enough to put it together in a way that works. Most of what he does - including the risk-taking, the getting hit - seems deliberate to me. Usually there seems to be method to the madness. Usually after (or in the process of) getting hit he lands something fairly special of his own. I'm not saying that would necessarily fly with an in-shape hammer-swinging no-distractions excuse-free Pavlik. It works for him in general though. He's not unskilled...not a fighter who relies on his physical gifts in lieu of mental agility. Unskilled fighters don't successfully make major adjustments against elite fighters.

 

Well -- I rarely speak to you in such a manner -- but -- **** Off.

 

OK.

 

IB's post is actually pretty fair. My beef with people who insist that Martinez's skills are "vastly superior to Pavlik's" is that it simply isn't true. Each fighter has his own skill set and technique. Each presents a somewhat unique total package that the other has not dealt with in its entirety.

However, if you break those packages down, Martinez does not bring much that will be new to Pavlik. He has fought bigger stronger guys who hit harder than Martinez. He's fought at least a half a dozen guys who have better defense than Martinez, and whether people want to admit it or not, Sergio's hand speed isn't any better than Jermain's was.

Pavlik, on the other hand, brings several things to the ring that Sergio has never dealt with. Sergio fought Williams, but Williams does not "fight tall." Kelly uses every millimeter of his 6' 2" frame. Williams throws a lot of punches, but Pavlik is tactically and strategically superior to Williams, and can throw nearly as many shots. Kelly cuts off the ring WAY better than Paul or Kermit. And do not over look Pavlik's jab. Sergio has NEVER dealt with a guy who can use his jab for a freaking jack hammer. Finally, there's power. Pavlik has knocked people out who have never even been hurt in a fight, and he has done that with both hands, and to the head or the body.

The most relevant statement in IB's post is this one: "I'm not saying that would necessarily fly with an in-shape hammer-swinging no-distractions excuse-free Pavlik."

If that guy shows up on the 17th, Sergio Martinez is in a world of ****. The bits and scraps of information that have come out of the Pavlik camp indicate that a "new and improved" version of that guy will show up.

 

Well I guess we will have to see. I am a Pavlik fan but a bettor too, and as a bettor I think Pavlik is a good bet here, a very, very good bet.