this is the #1 reason why I dont see Sergio winning. He fights like that 24/7. I just cant see anyone leaving there hands down & beating Floyd. Sergio gets away with it because he's far more skilled & faster then his opponents but that wont be the case against Floyd. Even if you think he's faster, he's not that much faster. Floyd is mad accurate even if you keep your hands up, let alone with your hands down. He's bound to be landing & seeing openings all day. Sergio can then adjust & put his hands up but he's older now. He's not going to be great at doing that overnight. If he tries to do that then that will take away from his O & he wont fight the same. Anyone else see this as a problem for him in a potential matchup with Floyd? Everytime people talk about this matchup, this is my #1 argument why I think Floyd wins and its even bigger after last night. What do you guys think?
Nah, he wanted Barker out of his defensive shell, it was a tactic that slowly got him into the fight as he figured out Darren's punch pattern, losing 3 rounds in the process. I don't see him doing that vs. Floyd, I see him jabbing all night and only lowering hands when he wants an opening. He'd lower his hands vs. Pac though and catch Manny coming in. Maravilla is highly adaptive, he was simply caught by some of Barker's looong punches early - Floyd doesn't have the kind of reach.
No, that is his style. It wasnt Barker. He does it every single fight, nearly all fight long. I argued with some guys about this early yesterday and they tried to say that he only does it later and only when he's comfortable and knows he has the upper hand on his opponent but that isnt true. He does it from round 1 on. Then they tried to say he doesnt do it that much. Thats B.S., he does it alot. Again, he could change some but he's too old & too far in the game for that. Not only that but it will take away from his O if he starts worrying about putting his hands up all the time now
It never ceases to amaze me when a very successful unorthodox fighter has his unorthodoxy treated as flaw.
unorthodox is one thing. Keeping your hands down against a guy who is just as fast, is even more skilled, and is a pinpoint puncher is a flaw. Its not like he'll be fighting a bum or a bigger stiffer guy. He'll get away with it 95% of the time but this thread is about him vs the best of the best and I cant see him beating Floyd liek that
That because it is a flaw dependent on who fight, just like certain moves are a flaw depending on the chess piece you wish capture. It's science (chess) my friend.
I agree with you, but it will take somebody with a nice to take advantage of it. So Floyd would have job before throwing his power shot cause Martinez counters around it.
Sergio's stance can be deceptive especially against taller fighters. He might look hitable but if you look very carefully it's very awckward for a tall fighter with a high guard like Barker to throw downward punches at his 'exposed' chin. Martinez also leaves his lead foot very far in front when he 'exposes' his jaw so whilst it is hanging there to be hit the distance between him and his opponent is considerable and he can get out of range and throw counters quite easily. Most of Barker's success took place when the chin lead foot was brought back and the jaw was hanging out.
. I was thinking the same last night. I mean, I'd love for Martinez to win but see it unlikely. At least by the way he fought last night. This guy tagged him quite a bit.... Matweather SHOULD have a tagging fest with SM.
His style...is a hands-down style...It's part of what got him where he is at. It's integral to how he fights. It's like saying "I don't know how Winky would fight Mike McCallum with his hands constantly up like that. Mike would batter his sides." It's just his style. Floyd happens to be one of the few that can flip styles but that's Floyd and beside the point. Most fighters can't just change styles at the tail end of their careers (as Sergio likely is) as if they're changing a pair of pants. And if you have success with something that would be a liability for another fighter, it doesn't necessarily mean it will become a liability to you, especially when comparing to what would happen if you tried to do something you're completely unaccustomed to and is not "battle-tested" for you as a style. Floyd's never fought a fighter with Sergio's style, that I can think of. I have no idea how they'd match up without seeing it. Maybe Floyd knows how to perfectly fight him, but maybe not. He is not a 6-ft career middleweight, so it's not like we can count on him waltzing in with a masterclass version of what Barker was doing, for instance. Martinez has clearly never fought anyone even close to the skill-level of Mayweather, but Mayweather's never fought anyone who possessed Martinez's combination of size, skill and athleticism. Rebuttal: You are Round1gymDC. End rebuttal.
If you like to keep your hands low, then all the power to ya'. But ****, at least move your head when you do it! I pointed this out in he Dzinziruk fight; where he was getting tagged with loadsa' shots in the final couple of rounds. Barker reminded us of that last night. Floyd would have a field day if he's able to nullify his offence.