Sergiy "The Technician" Derevyanchenko Is A MIDDLEWEIGHT MONSTER...!!!

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  1. kirk

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    Majority? I disagree to that extent. Much of training camp is forming your body into the weapon you need it to be. The main waste is the sparring, something that Abel has scaled back on in Golovkins camps anyways, and of course litte things youre hoping to implement against the opponent youve been training for. But Gs body will be the weapon he wants it to be, and he will fight in the same manner he always fights elite fighters.

    In fact, Abel is pretty stern on how he doesnt prepare for specefic opponents and instead just prepares his fighters to do what they are going to do regardless of the opponent in front of them. Hes not a trainer that caters to his opponents during his training camps.

    That being said... yes I acknowledge its a significant change, but SD hasnt even had a proper training camp and would be entering the fight with the same disadvantage as Golovkin.

    When both guys are equally handicapped its not some huge disadvantage to Golovkin as people are making out. IMO it actually favors G because again he will be in better fighting form than SD will. If anything I think team SD should be a bit more precocious about this and wait til they can have a proper training camp under them entering a G fight.
     
  2. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    In my opinion, Golovkin would have to "unlearn" a gameplan and "learn" a new one. SD has to come up w/ one game plan.
     
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  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You mean like Kell Brook?
     
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    Three weeks to promote a fight against a guy no one has heard of, non-PPV, for a 1MM purse split between two camps.

    Sounds like a great business deal! ESB’s crackerjack roster of boxing promoters has done it again!
     
  5. Birmingham

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    This is how I see it too. Kirk was saying Abel trains GGG to fight the same regardless of opponents style to a certain extent, i've actually heard him say it now come to think of it, but no matter what he says its virtually impossible to not train to suit your opponents style, it imo would be a simple and stupid method and one I don't truly believe. Like you say, he would have to practice totally different things, he might be fit, but that's only a small part of it. He needs a camp with SD on his mind from the start to be a 100% and SD needs longer to train for it too. Its a shitter for everyone
     
  6. Birmingham

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    What other welter did he fight?? Hagler and Hopkins done it regular. Hagler had Leonard, Hearns and tiny tiny lightweight Duran and they were his career defining fights, and Mugabi a 154lb'er ect... Hopkins had little Oscar and Trinidad at 160 and funny enough they were probably his defining fights at middle too. See, all the greats have been in the same boat, it means nothing.
     
  7. kirk

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    So, your position is, that even though SD doesnt even have a training camp under him, and has no fight scheduled at all, and would be taking this fight on short notice, and Golovkin is in legit fighting shape with an elite level training camp behind him going in, that him having to 'unlearn' some gameplan they had for Canelo, is such a disadvantage compared to a guy with no camp but just taking the fight on a couple weeks notice, that it justifies purposely not fighting SD and instead fighting the likes of Munguia or Vanes?


    Thats what you are saying?

    I just dont see how thats a practical position.

    If someone isnt going to call this instance a duck, they probably shouldnt call any instance a duck, because every situation is going to have a context to why that fighter didnt take the fight. Whether its money, whether its options, whether its personal life problems, ect.... the fighter that ducks, and their fans, will always have a listed reason why they duck a fight. Its the rational persons job to weigh if those reasons are practical or not.

    Saying, well one guy with an elite training camp under him and in proper fighting shape will have to unlearn a gameplan while the guy with no training camp at all just has to learn one, as a valid excuse to justify fighting Vanes instead of SD right now, is not valid, imo.

    We just disagree on this one.
     
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  8. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    I'm sure that SD is training all the time, so it wouldn't be a matter of him needing to do pre-training stuff to get into shape. SD just has to ramp it up. And I don't believe DiBella/Rozier would ALLOW SD to take a Golovkin fight if SD is going to come in so compromised as you say. Dude's been training. Trust.
     
  9. ellerbe

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    Not comparable. Did Leonard, Hearns, or Duran jump 2 weight classes to fight Hagler? What about Oscar or Trinidad? Nope.
     
  10. Birmingham

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    Oscar was terrible at Middle, didn't belong there, Trinidad was never a middle either obviously, Hearns, Duran, Leonard all all time greats, but it wasn't there natural weights. Prime, not one of them belonged past 154
     
  11. ellerbe

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    Yes, but none of them jumped from 147 straight to 160. They're not comparable. Brook and Vanes are not comparable to these fights. Vanes could be compared to Trinidad, but Trinidad wasn't coming off a 2 year layoff, and comparing Trinidad to Vanes is just disrespectful.
     
  12. kirk

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    A fighter with no fight scheduled being in the gym to stay relatively fit is not comparable in the slightest to a fighter whose just had a full, legitimate fight camp.
     
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  13. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Okay, so Golovkin would get zero credit for beating SD because that's the built-in excuse.

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    And if you want this fight so badly, why wouldn't you want to see the best version of it with both guys having the benefit of full and proper training camps?
     
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  14. kirk

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    It is seeming as if youre just scrambling for any reason you can to justify G not taking this fight.

    I dont 'want this fight so badly'..

    Its very simple...

    G desperately needs an opponent on the 5th. His mandatory is eagerly wanting to step in to fight, instead team G is looking for a showcase fight against illegitimate opposition, and Im simply saying hes obviously swerving SD.

    There is no deep desire to see this particular fight in the grand scheme of things... Im just calling a spade a spade, while not aggreeing with peoples poor attempts to justify team Gs move here.
     
  15. Birmingham

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    For good reason, he needs a proper camp for that calliber of fighter