Serious Frank Warren discussion (mods don't delete this)

He's given British boxing about 90% of our biggest fights for the last 15 years, you have to respect that.

However, those big fights are about 0.1% of the fights he makes. He gets them eventually, but with Warren you have to wait a long time in between. So a lot of his fighters miss their chance.

 

I think his cards are poorly constructed and he does nothing to give his fighters any personality meaning that basically aside from the main event his cards are borefests.

His matchmaking is all aimed towards that BIG fight round the corner and tbh he has no interest in domestic boxing whatsoever- seldom does he promote British title fights as anything other then support bouts for WBU/WBO title fights.

He has done a lot for British boxing by default more then anything and no more then anyone else with his resources would have done. I don't dislike him personally he comes across as a pretty nice guy but I feel his promotional outfit is gearned towards making money as opposed to increasing boxings popularity as a sport. Which form a business POV is 100% correct, from a fans POV it sucks.

 

Yes he deserves every bit of criticism he gets.
He has made some big fights, but only once he has milked as much money out of a cash cow as possible. Hatton made him a fortune and was close to the number of fights DLH had had by the time he fought Tsyzu.

Calzaghe as a long reigning champ and clearly one of the most talented fighters in the world was fed NO HOPERS like Pudwill and finally got the big fights as he approached the end of his career.

Now lets look at how he uses a national newspaper column like a spiteful teenage girl, slagging off and belittling anyone who dares to not sign with him or who chose to leave him.
Lets look at how he manipulates situations to try and mess up another fighters prep, like he did with Haye before the Macca fight and then expects Haye to work with him again.

He is underhanded and worse still he is a coward who cannot even take criticism on the chin and answer accusations. He bullies small web forums with threats of legal action if someone says anything bad about him.
I have posted, constructive criticism on his site and surprise surprise the post never makes it up, I have politely asked questions regarding the wisdom behind a certain piece of match making etc and surprise surprise it never makes it up.

He is like a tin pot dictator who bans any negative comment and releases self congratulatory statements and news wires.

I have no real issue with Khans opposition, the kid is young, but every fighter he has is overprotected and milked. He only let Macca face Haye because he got tricked by Haye and genuinely thought Macca would smash a weight drained fighter.

The likes of Bobby Gunn are not poor match ups, they are scandalous. Fighters like Sellers suddenly appear in top 10 rankings without having a fight, and then are so unfit for the contest that the fight is vetoed by the BBBC.

A bully, a hypocrite, a self serving individual who spits his dummy out if anyone does not kiss his feet and someone who has been involved in some fairly dodgy scenarios too.

Need I go on?

 

Couldn't disagree more. He is the epitome of a snake and a reacts like a petulant child in the face of any criticism. Moreover using a national column to snipe and sneer at the misfortune of another fighter or to deride the achievements of a fighter, based solely on said person not agreeing to make you even more money by signing to Sports Network...

Well it is sickening.

 

Don't you think it weakens your argument when you use examples like this when you know full well that Pudwill wasn't a planned fight at all, but a late replacement?

If you feel the argument is there to be made, then make it using legitimate, intellectually honest examples.

 

No. If Hopkins had pulled out and Eric Crumble was available should the fight have gone ahead or been postponed?

Evans Ashira, Mger Mktichiran, Jiminez, Bobby Gunn, Sellers, Azzouri...

All guys Frank has thought fine opponents for his world champions.

 

Here you go, lets end this thread with a link to Franks latest bit of objective journalism...

[url]http://www.frankwarren.tv/drill/News/Articles/2008/06/03/text-frankly-speaking-latest-column.html?30,32,03,11,03,2008[/url]

 

He makes lots of money for his fighters but I don't know how much he helps their personal potential. I think he puts on a lot of fights that are mismatches, has a lot of success due to the sanctioning bodies that perhaps should have been regulated more closely over here. I don't think he does much for the current, younger generation of fight fans who seem pissed off & impatient with boxing.

I just think British boxing needs guys like Hennessy, Hatton and Haye (and other promoters) to create a more competitive British boxing market in which fights from different stables are actually matched against each other.

 

I take the pragmatic view that if it wasn't Warren then it would just be someone else. British boxing is small enough at the top level that an effective monopoly can be enforced by one man/ one company.

 

It doesnt in the slightest. As bearing in mind the amount of fights that Joe pulled out of as well as the clashes that were mooted signed or just not delivered he was percieved by boxing promoters as a fighter that cried wolf and wasnt worth the agro. Hence why Lacy asked for an advanced before he came to Wales. I mean lets be real Pudwill was a replacement for Thomas Tate. Tate didnt pull out he RETIRED!

 

Tate pulled out of the fight which Pudwill replaced him in with a burst eardrum. Another fight was then arranged, but Tate decided to retire instead.

 

to many fights agaisnt poor oppo, it took 9 years to get Calzaghe a unification and 11 to get him to the states. thats pathetic in my opinion.