Serious Frank Warren discussion (mods don't delete this)

So what? Tate was fairly chinny and past his best anyway. But when he did pull out, there is no excuse for accepting Pudwill.

But seeing as you are Franks defence lawyer, explain Bobby Gunn and Sellers for me.

 

Some very objective journalism from Frank.

The only comment I agree on is that regarding Matthew Hatton - the rest is total bollocks.

The column is now only used to spit venom in the direction of Messrs Hatton and Haye, and to bum Calzaghe!

 

And? Tate was on the verge of retirement when he fought Sven. He only took the bout because it was a world title shot and a payday. Tate may have given Joe name recognition in the states but lets be real he was a safe opponent who was well past his sell by date.

 

Bingo.

 

Calzaghe fought Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins all within a short time with Frank, Hatton after Tszyu took 2 years to fight one decent fighter and got whooped promoting himself.

I think he played a part In Sentanta's deal showing Top Rank fights exculsively In the UK too.

Got Rees, Skelton, Mac, Arthur, Williams and Lockett title shots, the majority of them won a title and one gave a great effort.

No one would of talked about Hatton much without his matchmaking that seasoned Hatton Into a world level fighter too.

Only negatives Is once there world champ he still does matchmaking that they no longer should need and doesn't take well to criticism.

 

Franks never liked criticism. But the facts remain his a small fish in a massive pond on the world scene. All his name fighters have at some stage been wrapped in cotton wool. Yes his got them world title shots but invariably its always of the WBO variety and we know how much WBO mandatorys are worth.

 

A small fish who twice out bidded DLH In purse bid fights, co promoted Calzaghe Vs Hopkins, has produced more title fights In Britain than most of Europe and sells out 50,000 seat staduims.

He ain't Don King or Arum but he ain't a small fish.

 

:rofl atsch :roll:

Yeah he got whopped by the best P4P fighter in the world and an ATG because he "promoted himself". :nut Of course if he had stuck with Warren he would have beaten a guy 20 times more skilled than him.:-(

And drop the crap. He FORCED Warrens hand with Tsyzu. Frank would have been happy to spend another 3 years fighting Mike Stewarts and then signed off with the big fight.
And "one decent fighter" is pathetic. Collazo was a world champion at a higher weight and is clearly a decent fighter, Castillo may be past his best but he was not a losing run, and he has won since, he was also a more than "decent fighter".

It is like Warren is your ****ing dad the way you twist facts and protect him. To have the nerve to dismiss anyone Hatton has fought since Tszyu as not even worthy of being called "decent" and to then downgrade one of the most gifted fighters to ever put on gloves (PBF) to being one "decent fighter" purely because you want to paint Hattons loss as being far worse than it was...

Is frankly (how apt) pathetic.

 

Bear in mind that Warren has a very nasty habit of announcing and selling tickets for fights that haven't actually been signed. The result are a countless number of shows that bear little resemblance to the originally advertise bill. I stopped going to Warren shows 20 years ago because of this, and it still happens today!!

 

He's only good for his fighters in terms of making them money with little risk of losing. Winning WBU/WBO titles etc and defending them countless times. I don't think he would be great for any fighter with ambition and all the fans seem to hate him for this.

 

Hatton got whooped because he Is not as good as he decieved you all. It's how he lost to Floyd and had no gameplan at all. If he was as good as hyped, he would of gave a better fight, hell even an Inactive DLH gave a better fight.

Hatton Is just an average world class fighter who picked the right opponents, he was never elite and Is easily open to counter punchers.

He shamely ducks Witter and now has an excuse because Witter has an off night. The Witter who blasted Harris would blast Hatton, all he needs Is a counter left hook and Hatton will wobble, Lazcano even hit him with a left hook and he wobbled.

Hatton got to world level thanks to the right matchmaking, theres no fact twisting at all. Shame It took Floyd for alot to open peoples eyes.

Theres also the shamless fouling he uses to win too which he needs and struggles worse without at least Cortez prevented him from over fouling even though Cortez Is an American biased *******.

Yeah blame the weight for his lack of world class skills and the fact he couldn't bully someone his own size. He won that on pure workrate and without the knockdown would of been a draw against Callazo who was battered by sell by date Mosley.

I didn't downgrade Floyd once, I said he was decent, he's not as good as guys like Calzaghe or Mijares though. He just boringly lacks strength to fight so he smartly potshots leaning back. He only got the p4p no 1 because Hopkins lost to Taylor.

Not as bad as It being like Warren ****ing you In the arse.:yep

 

I don't want to get into the yawnfests that are "Hatton shamelessly (its always "shamelessly", isn't it??) ducked Witter" or "Hatton was always overrated", but Hattons career after Warren is better than when he was with Warren. Using the PBF loss as a reason why he should have stuck with Warren is crazy.

 

Yeah DLH being 5ft 11" with a huge reach advantage might have helped.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Quote of the decade.

Yeah because Harris was an incredible top tier fighter, who got starched by Maussa. So Witter getting decked and losing to a green Timothy Bradley was an "off night", Hatton being beaten by one of the best fighters who has ever lived was being "exposed". Wonderful, wonderful logic.:good

What was Witter agasint Lynes? Was that a half off night? Because he looked like **** then too. What about beating gatekeeper Corley in one of the poorest and most dull world title fights in years? Was that an off night too? Because it sure as hell was not as impressive as Hatton stopping Castillo with one shot or stopping Tsyzu.

Corley was virtually a Tackie on the world scene. Very good but always lost to the best. Corley the better boxer, Tackie the better puncher, both with good chins.
I am a Witter fan, went to watch him in Bradford early on, and went to watch him against Corley, and he was ****ing awful. But that gets a by from you, whereas losing once to PBF and being dominated makes Hatton a hype job and exposed.

I presume you think Corrales was fairly crap too? Because he was whipped far more than Hatton was.

Oh dear.

Well that is the last time I take anything you say about boxing remotely seriously.