Serious Frank Warren discussion (mods don't delete this)

Totally agree Strike.

Next Max will be saying that Gordon Brown is a brilliant prime minister and that fuel duty should be increased by 30p per litre!

 

I don't even need to read the entire thread as everything that needs to be said Strike already has.

 

This sums up any postives you can take from Frank Warren.

 

De La Hoya is easily one of the best fighters in the last 20 years, so even if he did have ring rust, he'd still be an elite fighter. He may not hold the belt but he's the best 154lber and at 147lbs, he would definetly be top 5.

As for him being inactive, he has been throughout his career since becoming a megastar. He's fought every 6 months for the last 9 years. One of his greatest wins, Fernando Vargas, came after a longer lay-off than against Mayweather. if you think De La Hoya had problems because he wasn't active, think again.

Some fighters can get away with fighting so rarely. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. His best win came off a near 3 year long layoff. It's like the age argument with boxers. Just because certain people have their limits, it doesn't mean all people do, as I constantly point out when talknig about Bernard Hopkins or Archie Moore. It doesn't make them any better than a Mike Tyson or Wilfred Benitez because they peaked so early. Some fighters look awful after a year out of the rng and others don't. There is no set rule. De La Hoya happens to be one of those fighters who doesn't suffer if he isn't active.

Floyd Mayweather isn't as good as Christian Mijares? The ****?

 

:rofl

To be fair to Frank Warren, I think he's proved to be a lot more productive since the mid nineties. The work with Calzaghe is evidence to the fact that he will put people in with big names. The problem is it seems to take forever! How long would Hatton had to wait for Mayweather if he was in a Warren stable? I'm sure the fight would have come but probably not for about 2 years!!

I hope he learns from his recent successes and puts Amir Khan in with some decent opposition and lets him fly! You dont necessarily need an unbeaten record to get people excited - look at Haye!

What people want is exciting boxers willing to step out of their comfort zone. If they're good enough then they will succeed. Obviously everyone wants to make their cut of the £ along the way - nothing wrong with that. As long as it doesnt interfere too much with the credibility of the sport (and athletes involved!).

 

Nobody else could do what Warren does with the mostly awful talent pool in the UK.

 

What happened to the Peter vs Fraudley or Skelton bout that was announced for July 12th at the O2?

:huh

 

That'swhat I was wondering. An announcement was due 8 days ago!

 

If Witter lands a counter hook which he will against the one dimensional Hatton, Hatton will be hurt and hold for dear life. Hatton has no head movement at all and just lunges forward, anyone who Is a timed counter puncher stands a chance at beating him.

I liked the Corley fight, I prefer real chess match counter punching to cheating like Hatton does. Hatton didn't seem to want to fight him when Corley was WBO champ and Hatton was his mandatry.

Castillo was totally shot and weight drained and picked at the right time, Witter would beat Castillo too and the Tszyu Hatton fought. Tszyu was a once a year champ who was hardly active.

Didn't see the Lynes fight, lack of sky sports at the time so can't comment there. He's had off nights before but only Bradley didn't let him get away with It. Bradley's better than Urango.

Dunno why Witter had to Impress when Urango and Malignaiggi havent Impressed at all, Hatton's full of contradictions and double standards.

Hatton should of put up a better fight against Floyd, he had no gameplan, headmovement and totally underestimated him. Least Witter didn't blame the ref for his loss.

Fact Is without the fighter being a former smaller fighter, negative or chosen at the right time, Ricky looks like the average fighter he Is or loses.

Lazcano was hardly a thank you fight when he cons people out Into PPV.

It's how he lost to Floyd, his p4p ranking was giftwrapped and he couldn't even knock out Gatti whos worse than Hatton.

No DLH using better pressure tatics made It competitive but he's not elite anymore and Is a HBO recycled PPV fighter who Floyd should of clowned.

 

Lol well some people deserve high fuel prices, seen so many abuse a car to see they deserve It.

Some just prfer to overspend on garbage to why they have problems affording high fuel prices.:deal

 

Pathetic. I am done talking to you about boxing full stop. I have no issues with you as a person and so will happily talk to on the Lounge, but there comes a point when discussing certain issues with certain people is a waste of time.
And talking boxing with you is such an example.

 

More pathetic how some of you get way oversensitive If someone doesn't share your view on boxing Instead of simply disagreeing.

 

No. Nothing to do with a disagreement, it comes down to you being so bias it is a waste of time. I dont give a damn that you pick Witter over Hatton; that is opinion.
But you calling PBF "decent" and classing him below Mijares...you ignoring every crap Witter performance or simply lying and classing fights like the Corley one as good, deciding that certain fighters were totally shot and yet ignoring what you and everyone else said before said fights....

Backing up Warrens sniping, bitchy columns by saying he makes good points, because you have taken a dislike to a fighter, having a go at someone like Hatton for comp and then claiming Calzaghe is a better ATG than PBF...
Rating Calzaghe for beating Hopkins but slating Hatton for an old Tsyzu.....


The list is endless, I cannot possibly rememeber every example of your bias and border line mental issues....

But I am done talking with boxing you, just as I would be done talking football with someone who said Peter Crouch was better than Pele.

 

Hatton fans are way more bias than me, only fighter I am bias for Is Calzaghe.

I did say Witter has had off nights and looked bad, just that Bradley didn't let him get away with It this time so I don't Ignore his bad times.

I do back up a few Warren points but have also criticised his match making when the fighters no longer need It when there at a certain level.

I don't lie and never Intend to.

I used to like Hatton but once It got to Callazo and Urango, I took a disliking to him, had a little more respect when he finally decided to fight Floyd then he took him totally lightly and was hammered for It.

He deserves criticism as much as Frank, he's greedy for ppvs and money yet picks crap fighters except for Floyd, none of his fights should of been PPV.

Yes I credit Calzaghe for boning Hopkins for being a total cheat and putting up with his bull****. Calzaghe unlike Floyd has actually cleaned out a division and looked better doing It.

The Hopkins fight was ugly because of Hopkins being a cheat but Calzaghe clearly won.

Talent wise Calzaghe Is better than Floyd too, people are fooled by too much names and belt chasing.

No mental Issues at all boxing wise.

You should listen to Amsterdam on Mijares, guy know his ****.

Funny how people Ignore my criticisms on Calzaghe and Frank when I have criticised them.

 

:-( Max.....