Serious Frank Warren discussion (mods don't delete this)

And how many times has Calzaghe defended a meaningless belt, Max?

Was it 18 prior to his first unification fight - disgrace if you ask me!

 

hmmm

 

You never have and never will see Floyd brutalise a fighter like Calzaghe did.

 

WBO Isn't considered meaningless when most of you mention guys like Guzman Or Casamour or Katsidis holding It.

Calzaghe made It worthy and then won the other 3 outclassing the best the 12 stone division had to offer.

 

I love this, the excuse why Joe fought one of the worst challengers ever (was it McIntyre or Pudwill?). Because Thomas Tate pulled out!

Thomas Tate was a good fighter in about 1992, when he gave Julian Jackson a cracking fight. 1992 was a long time ago.

Sven Ottke shouldn't have been defending against him, but Tate cut Ottke (I don't know if it was by a punch or a headbutt) so they had to have a rematch which Ottke won easily.

What is the excuse for trying to fight Thomas Tate, in the first place?

If ppl don't want to come to England to face unbeaten title holders, doesn't that make it all the more important to try your utmost to make meaningful fights happen?

Calzaghe's finally come good, but didnt show much ambition until about 2006 and fought most of his career under Roy Jones' shadow.

 

I think the problem with Frank is his ego, which stops him doing well for himself and the sport, and making himself popular with the fans.

For instance, the Froch/Witter bill was bought by ITV, Warren was unhappy. But why? Even if he had released some crass statement about Froch being the oldest prospect in the game and Witter being boring, we could have understood it, but spitting the dummy out and then signing your whole stable to Setanta for three years (???) is a bit much - then to spit the dummy out again when they realise that boxing is popular and sign deals with Top Rank and David Haye!

Apparently he is 'considering his future'. Well, FYI Frank, TV companies are going to sign fights with your nemesis Ricky Hatton and his heir apparent, David Haye. Throw into that the fact that you have consistently put **** shows together on ITV, refuse (or seem to refuse) to allow your fighters to fight abroad or in marquee fights (generally) and you have a right mess.

Of your own creation.

 

The main problem people have with Warren stems from his actions pre 07/08. Calzaghe is his flagship at the moment and yeah he done well getting the Hopkins fight but how does he now play it? RJJ? The day I see Frank Warren sign up an RJJ fight then my perception of him will change forever.

For now though, he's let too many big fights get away because of the penny pinching.

 

A reasonable summary - great point about matchmaking. The fights I really hate are the silly 6 or 8 rounders with a guy 10-0-1 or similar versus say a 8-34-7, I mean, what is the point in that?

Surely the 10-0-1 guy would benefit more by fighting another 10-0-1 fighter or simply spending more time in the gym :deal

 

Happens a lot around here....

 

Corrales? Not only did Floyd outbox and stop his man, he outboxed and stopped a great fighter. Calzaghe's performance against Lacy was nowhere near as impressive because Corrales was a far superior fighter.

The best comparison to Calzaghe/Lacy in Mayweather's career would be his fight against Baldomir. An absolute shutout against a decent opponent.