Serious Frank Warren discussion (mods don't delete this)

Calzaghe Vs Lacy was more one sided than Corrales Vs Floyd, difference Is Floyd got the KO. Prolonged beating for every second of the 12 rounds Is worse than being stopped, least Diego wasn't swarmed every second of the rounds he lasted, just counter punched Into a TKO.

Floyd should of stayed at Lightweight, much better there than Light Weler to Light Middle.

Yes and like Tffp said, he does a bitchfest, doesn't take to criticism well and over matches a fighter even when at world title level(not the WBU I mean) when they don't need It anymore. Macca paid for not having the experiance he should of as he's been a pro since 1999.

I do criticise the over match making on his fighters like Macca though for example, seems no one sees that though.

 

I enjoyed the prolonged beating he gave Lacy, Floyd hasn't maintained that greatness since moving up belt chasing, Castillo ran him close.

Corrales was a skinny man with a china chin and Insanely made low weights for his height. He was a brawler mostly with latin like pride.

 

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I think the JC/Lacy and PBF/Chico fights are totally different.

Lacy got the beating of his life, as did Chico, but the manner of the victories were totally different.

Those in the know had Lacy down as being overhyped - but the Brits hadn't seen much and not many Yanks were in the know about Lacy.

 

Floyd doesn't have Calzaghe's stamina and volume to beat a man every second of every round, beating a guy with a superior chin(also landing a 100 punches on an Iron jawed fighter) was better also than constantly dropping a china jawed fighter who had no more than warriors heart.

Calzaghe like a cat can play with his food(victims) too, Floyd just potshots them being bullied onto the backfoot because he has no strength for ****.

Strange how he couldn't KO Gatti but KO'ed Hatton though, Gatti's worse than Hatton.

No Floyd's real world class, he's just a little negative since going up 10 stone and over. Joe Is the better fighter still.

Calzaghe's china hands took away his pop, early Joe had more pop, Floyd about 9st 9lb has no pop.

Plus Calzaghe pretends to bone Hopkins which was pure genuis.

 

Yet again Max, you talk absolute bollocks regarding Floyd Mayweather.

I always thought that one of the keys to being a good fighter was to play to your strengths, and not to allow opponents to seize on any weaknesses.

So you would expect Floyd to go toe2toe with Oscar De La Hoya then, a much bigger guy?

No doubt you consider RJJ moving up to HW and winning a title an amazing feat, so why not from SFW through to LMW?

Oh and BTW - the KO against Gatti was certainly coming, so don't try that one!

Joe is better than Mayweather. On what basis?

I like Joe a lot, but come on, 20 odd title defences (most of them meaningless), only a couple of top names on resume and has been to the canvas on several occasions - as opposed to Mayweather. Five weight world champ (3 lineal), unbeaten, never really been tested for a full 12 rounds against a cracking resume.

Tough choice.

 

Corrales was hardly a superior fighter, he was a freak at the weight and needed his size to compete at world class.

Floyd won every round but he hardly slapped him around every second like Joe did to Lacy nonstop, Floyd patiently just counter bombed him.

He should of beat DLH more convincly, DLH's a one fight a year recycled PPV HBO fighter like Hopkins and most of the GB suits.

Yeah and he tko'ed them with over whelming pressure making them defenceless to stop him.

Gatti was pulled out by Buddy, not stopped on his feet.

Joe was calm as a cucumber while Hopkins cheated all the way through the fight faking low blows and disgustingly excessively holding. Boning a fighter shows who's the master.:yep

Floyd has more names than Joe, but he Isn't the better fighter. Floyd's becoming a celebrity boxer who's pointlessly rematching guys he beat.

 

Frank Warren said he'd retire immediately if Macca got beat b Haye.

I am still waiting...:-(

 

I suppose each have their opinion on this matter - but I would still suggest a cracking resume.

Perhaps they didn't want to fight him, we don't know!

Admittedly, a victory over Casamayor at 135, as opposed to ???, wins over Hatton and Tszyu at 140 as opposed to Gatti and Bruseles, whilst a 147 win over Cotto in lieu of the Hatton victory and a win over Margo instead of the DLH rematch would make his resume look better.

But all in all, a pretty good career for FMJ.

 

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There are holes in PBF's resume but none which I would seriously consider to be massive omissions. Casa at 135 - maybe but he was beaten by Corrales who was beaten by Floyd. Tszyu at 140 - maybe but beaten by a Hatton that PBF beat (and I'm not buying that Tszyu was shot!). Agreed that he either needs to fight Cotto or (which wont happen) watch Cotto get exposed in order to stop people coming out with the Cotto v PBF debate.

As for Joe C being a better boxer (not addressed at you Beeston) - bollocks! I'm a Calzaghe fan but his technique is poor. His hooks are too tight, his jab is good but his right hand doesnt extend like it should. Its these little intricacies which make Joe the fighter he is and not something he should change! But in terms of ability - PBF is streets ahead!

 

I know internet boxing fans are a tough crowd to please but Mayweathers resume is very impressive. Its not perfect but you can find holes in any fighters career if you really want to.

 

Correction:

Not behind - miles behind.

 

Not probably, Flux!

Good point Paddy re Calzaghe, it is his unorthodoxy together with his brain that makes him so good. By the time an opponent gets round to figuring him out, the tactics have changed again and he wins rounds that way.

Good on him I say.