Serious question about Manny Pacquiao....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IsaL, Jun 30, 2010.


  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    And that's what matters. And hardly slightly. In terms of millions, PBF has done more numbers in less fights.

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    World Wide? :lol: The Philipines??? :rofl

    So you agree that Floyd is a great promoter, the reason for his success..BOXING is a business, its ran like a business, and promoting is an essential part of the business. In this business of boxing, promoting is more important than titles, records, and awards.

    Because promotion is what will generate revenue..It's the reason promotional companies are a huge deal in boxing, as much as we hate the Arum's, the King's of boxing, the fighters need them.

    So taking into consideration that promotion is a HUGE deal in boxing, and considering that Mayweather (according to you) is a great promoter, and that his NUMBERS back up that claim YOU made, then the harder working business man who generates more revenue should justly get the bigger share, wouldn't you agree?

    The tell me, why wasn't PBF-DLH 50/50, or Pac-DLH 50/50...at that time all tyhose fighters needed DLH and DLH needed them to sell that much, yet it was NOT 50/50...Why ? Because #s don't lie, and Oscar was the bigger draw in both cases..in this case MAYWEATHER is the bigger draw...very simple to comprehend.

    ACTUALLY, Pac used his #s to justify 50/50...Pac's camp knew that Mayweather had generated more PPV buys against common opponents, but they tried using their most recent fights to justify 50/50, Mayweather conceded just to make the fight happen, but he could have EASILY made the same argument he's making today.

    Pac bailed out on negotiations, remember that.

    Fair?? Based on what?? Again..Numbers don't lie.

    Pac said he "WOULD NOT BUDGE", meaning, he will not sign to fight, he does not want to fight, he will stop the fight from happening, if he doesn't get 50/50..

    ...Pac leaves NO ROOM for NEGOTIATING, He doesn't want to cooperate. He claims he wants the fight, yet he cannot justify 50/50....You fall for that BS???:-(
     
  2. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're not seriously comparing Oscar's poplurity vs his opponents to Mayweather's vs Pac's, are you?

    This isn't the same. As I said above this is much more akin to Ali/Foreman. They're both equals about this time. Oscar's popularity towered over Mayweather's at the time.
     
  3. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You have to understand. To be a Floyd fan you have to become an expert at making excuses for him. It's always something else, time and time and time again.
     
  4. Sweet Jones

    Sweet Jones Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, Olympic style drug testing for potentially the biggest grossing fight in boxing history is now 'unreasonable'?

    And it takes hellified logical gymnastics to watch Pac walk away from the negotiating table, sign a deal with Clottey a week later, and somehow that becomes PBF 'backing out of a fight'.

    Come on man. You're better than that.
     
  5. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    And GUESS who's the bigger draw between Floyd and Pac???? That's right, FLOYD!

    Mayweather is not asking for Oscar's 70-30 split, he's startig negotiations at 60/40...he's not saying he will not BUDGE from that...Where as Pac leaves no room for negotiations when he says he WILL NOT BUDGE.

    Based on your reasoning...
    Oscar got the bigger share against Pac because Oscar was the bigger draw.
    Mayweather got the bigger share against Mosley because Floyd was the bigger draw.

    Guess what?! Floyd is a bigger draw than Pac! :yep So according to your examples above, Floyd should get the bigger split. :deal
     
  6. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Balcq would change his mind on the split if he saw a brief case full of single dollar bills :rofl :good
     
  7. spud1

    spud1 HAWK TIME!!!! Full Member

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    dude their popularity is evidenced by the ppv numbers, what part of that dont you understand:deal

    if pac was more known than pac around the world, or even america, why aint he got more sales, even though he is more of a action packed fighter

    i tell you why my friuend, when mayweather fights it aint just a boxing match its a darned event that appeals to hardcore fans and general public alike
     
  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    :lol: Pac is one dumb fool. I don't blame the guy though, he only finshed the 1st grade...

    ...but I wonder about the IQ of the people who elected him. :yep
     
  9. roversbowers

    roversbowers Well-Known Member Full Member

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    they need 50/50 because they need each other to make this sort of money.

    floyd v martinez
    floyd v williams
    pac v margo
    pac v berto

    none of theses fights make anywhere near what pac v floyd will. when will floyd realise it takes two to tango. 50/50 is fair or even 60/40 winner (if ko/tko) FAIR.
     
  10. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    These is a eally dumb argument...

    Why wasn't
    Hopkins-DLH 50/50
    PBF-DLH 50/50
    Pac-DLH 50/50
    PBF-Mosley 50/50
    PBF-JMM 50/50
    Pac-Cotto 50/50

    In order to generate the #s they did, they all needed the particular opponent. :-(
     
  11. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is the reality. 50/50 of Pac/Floyd is more than 60/40 against any other fighter. That's what makes a 50/50 fight. And this is one of them.
     
  12. Totomabs

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    definitely.:yep
     
  13. artofwar

    artofwar Well-Known Member Full Member

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    wait a second floyd has always been a higher draw than pac and has always outsold pac against common opponents yet he agreed to a 50/50 split during the first negotiations so what has changed. maybe the fact that pac has agreed to the tests so he needs another alibi.
     
  14. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd doing more buys in US PPV's isn't that much higher than Manny. Sure it's a little better but it's not like when DLH was around where there was NO ONE CLOSE to his stature. So with Floyd and manny they are neck and neck in the US in terms of their popularity and drawing power.

    World wide! :yep PAC is Fighter of the Decade and 3 time fighter of the year. WORLD WIDE! Boxing is a global sport and more people recognize Manny over Floyd and most consider Manny the best P4P boxer over Floyd....WORLDWIDE.

    With how Floyd runs his **** he has done a great job...but with all that work he's still neck and neck with Manny who leaves promoting to his promotional team. Floyd is his promotional team so him generating money is on him...PAC is a fighter so he fights. That's where the obstacles are coming into play...>Floyd wearing too many hats and thinking he's some kind of big time promoter without a licence.:rofl

    If there were some kind of LANDSLIDE in terms of drawing power, credentials or popularity I'd agree with Floyd getting the lions share but there's NOT. Point blank there's not a big enough gap in terms of drawing power for Floyd to get the lions share.

    It's not like DLH vs Yori Boy or DLH vs Gatti or Even DLH vs Floyd. DLH ALWAYS was the top dog. We have a unique situation here where there are TWO legit top draws who stand to break all records TOGETHER if they can finally sign a ****ing contract.

    It's just funny to me that Floyd is the one who came up witht he original obstacle to kill the fight with drug testing that stemmed from accusations that were meant to discredit PAC.. And of course there wasn't a shred of evidence, proof or facts to support those accusations.

    Now conviently the NEW obstacle in Rd 2 of negotiations are coming from whom else.....Floyd..:rofl Actions speak louder than words and all Floyds actions indicates he don't want to take the risk of facing Manny. I don't blame him but man the **** up and say so...Don't come up with smoke and mirrors just to avoid having to say the words...."I don't want to fight Manny"..:yep

    I don't fall for BS....I call out who is creating the BS..:smoke
     
  15. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Here's the thing..It's NOT a gurantee the fight will do 2 mil, or even 1.5 mil. Just not a gurantee...Makes NO business sense.

    Floyd Mayweather has worked harder to promote himself, and his numbers are a testament to his hard work that has paid off.