Serious question for Floyd fans.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by osreyes77, Feb 20, 2012.


  1. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    You gotta talk first on what you gotta put in the contracts before you print em in there All negotiations are vocal until the signing part. And since 50-50 was ok back then(back when Pac hasn't agreed on those damn tests) Why the hell is it not ok now?(That Pac has agreed on those tests and also the date and also the venue without TR on the table on deciding those details.)

    Contractual obligations, They knew that and no part of that contractual obligation was in conflict. Sending Koncz to negotiate and talk to the money team etc etc. And what are these contractual obligations? Seems you know about these stuff can you provide a source that Pac cannot negotiate on what fights he wanted to pursue.
     
  2. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pac cannot negotiate on his own because he is under contract with Arum and Arum runs a tight ship when it come to that kinda stuff. He is very controlling over the direction of his fighters and the path they take. I thought this was common knowledge because it is all over the net and one of the reasons why Oscar and PBF left Top Rank.

    Yes you do talk about somethings before Nego's start but Nego's are where they heavy lifting happens. None of these talks can be taken seriously untill both sides agree in principle that they want to fight. After that point there is a back and forth over a litany of items. However, you cannot get to that point until both party say; "yes try and put this fight together" that is the time when they look at their opening positions and say you can have this if I can have that . . .etc. Since Bob said no and basically no chance in hell for May you never get to that point.
     
  3. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    so how can you put it in contract when floyd is not even ok with 50/50? this is the biggest stumbling block now and floyd can't fight with an even split.
     
  4. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Biggest stumbling block was arum and his no may 5th.
     
  5. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    so can you explain why floyd still called him? floyd thinks of pacman highly more than you guys do in making this fight.

    so floyd calling pac is just a media propaganda then and not to start a negotiations?
     
  6. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    ok assuming it's arum and not floyd rejecting the 50/50 split.

    after the cotto fight, floyd would still demand more than 50/50, would it still again be not floyd's fault?
     
  7. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You have a circular Argument that is not based on the facts of the matter. The Fact is that Arum did not want this to happen so it was not going to happen. PBF was calling him out since the Ortrees fight and by name before JMM3. PBF got his surrogate to start calling Bob but Arum would not answer the phone. Bob said call him, so PBF called Manny direct, by that time it was the midnight hour before his hearing so he needed someone to fight so they went with Cotto (who was one of four fighters that Arum was courting).

    you are so focused on the actions of PBF you are ignoring the actions of Arum. IF Arum was saying from the beginning lets make this fight happen, you might have the foundation for a case. But this is not what happened. After JMM3 Arum was talking about JMM4. Then PBF starts to raise up the heat so now Manny's cut became an issue. Looks like PBF was going to jail, so now Manny's cut is ok and May 5 against JMM is the Plan. PBF is not going to jail, now he wants to build a stadium and it won't be ready until June (after PBF is in jail). All this time Arum is not answering the phone. He says no to a fight in May even if 50-50 and maybe to a November fight if they start talks with in the next couple of weeks. Behind the scene PBF contacts Pac directly and he has talks with Koncz, but Bob is increasingly saying that a fight will not happen in May, lets fight in Dubia, or Cowboy stadium . . . etc. Time is ticking, PBF needs an opponent not just for may 5th but for the licensing hearing. He goes for plan B, but not until after he reaches out to Manny one more time.

    So tell me in all of this what exactly did Arum do to pursue the fight? :think
     
  8. JASPER

    JASPER Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fight will not happen until Arum wants it to happen. he has a road map in mind until Manny retires on how to maximize his profits. So all this talk about splits etc . . . means zilch. He is happy to build the names of other fighters of of Manny until that time and have perhaps his last fight against PBF. That is unless there is a hot prospect in his stable that he thinks Manny can pass the torch to
     
  9. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    :deal
     
  10. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    and floyd is talking of a canelo fight next.

    so why is floyd rejecting a fair split immaterial? negotiations starts with it. if floyd won't give pac any PPV upside, it means he is not serious in making the fight.
     
  11. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    floyd offered pac a $40M guarantee with no PPV upside right?

    arum made a counter-offer of $45M tp floyd under the same terms he gave pacquiao. what is floyd's answer to that?
     
  12. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What the **** is wrong with you, it's all of their faults. Floyd's, Arum's and Pac's for not getting this fight done. Stop trying to lay all the blame on floyd's doorstep as if the fight would have happened may 5th. Only a moron can't see what's going on.:roll:
     
  13. tarugojones

    tarugojones Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And why Floyd called Pacquiao not Arum?:rofl
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They're both to blame. Neither team has TRULY wanted it over the past 2+ years.

    It's a matter of what "points" or "issues" you take side with which would make you pick a side of whose excuses are more reasonable.

    If you think it is CLEARLY, FACTUALLY one or the other, than you are a biased clown.